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From: "Steve Wise" <swise@opengridcomputing.com>
To: "'Tom Talpey'" <tom@talpey.com>,
	"'Jason Gunthorpe'" <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>
Cc: "'Chuck Lever'" <chuck.lever@oracle.com>,
	<linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: [PATCH v3 05/15] xprtrdma: Remove last ib_reg_phys_mr() call site
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 09:33:44 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <000301d0c3c2$3f892a50$be9b7ef0$@opengridcomputing.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <55AD8F05.6070409@talpey.com>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: linux-rdma-owner@vger.kernel.org [mailto:linux-rdma-owner@vger.kernel.org] On Behalf Of Tom Talpey
> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:15 PM
> To: Steve Wise; 'Jason Gunthorpe'
> Cc: 'Chuck Lever'; linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org; linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org
> Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 05/15] xprtrdma: Remove last ib_reg_phys_mr() call site
> 
> On 7/20/2015 3:41 PM, Steve Wise wrote:
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Tom Talpey [mailto:tom@talpey.com]
> >> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 5:04 PM
> >> To: Steve Wise; 'Jason Gunthorpe'
> >> Cc: 'Chuck Lever'; linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org; linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org
> >> Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 05/15] xprtrdma: Remove last ib_reg_phys_mr() call site
> >>
> >> On 7/20/2015 2:16 PM, Steve Wise wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: linux-nfs-owner@vger.kernel.org [mailto:linux-nfs-owner@vger.kernel.org] On Behalf Of Jason Gunthorpe
> >>>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 4:06 PM
> >>>> To: Tom Talpey; Steve Wise
> >>>> Cc: Chuck Lever; linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org; linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org
> >>>> Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 05/15] xprtrdma: Remove last ib_reg_phys_mr() call site
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 01:34:16PM -0700, Tom Talpey wrote:
> >>>>> On 7/20/2015 12:03 PM, Chuck Lever wrote:
> >>>>>> All HCA providers have an ib_get_dma_mr() verb. Thus
> >>>>>> rpcrdma_ia_open() will either grab the device's local_dma_key if one
> >>>>>> is available, or it will call ib_get_dma_mr() which is a 100%
> >>>>>> guaranteed fallback.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I recall that in the past, some providers did not support mapping
> >>>>> all of the machine's potential physical memory with a single dma_mr.
> >>>>> If an rnic did/does not support 44-ish bits of length per region,
> >>>>> for example.
> >>>>
> >>>> Looks like you are right, but the standard in kernel is to require
> >>>> ib_get_dma_mr, if the HCA can't do that, then it cannot be used on a
> >>>> big memory machine with kernel ULPs.
> >>>>
> >>>> Looking deeper, both amso1100 and cxgb3 seem limited to 32 bits of
> >>>> physical memory, and silently break all kernel ULPs if they are used
> >>>> on a modern machine with > 4G.
> >>>>
> >>>> Is that right Steve?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Yes.
> >>>
> >>>> Based on that, should we remove the cxgb3 driver as well? Or at least
> >>>> can you fix it up to at least fail get_dma_mr if there is too much
> >>>> ram?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I would like to keep cxgb3 around.  I can add code to fail if the memory is > 32b.  Do you know how I get the amount of
> > available
> >>> ram?
> >>
> >> A) are you sure it's an unsigned length, i.e. is it really 31 bits?
> >>
> >
> > yes.
> >
> >> B) why bother to check? Are machines with <4GB interesting, and worth
> >> supporting a special optimization?
> >
> > No, but cxgb3 is still interesting to user applications, and perhaps NFSRDMA using FRMRs.
> 
> I'm obviously not making myself clear. I am suggesting that cxgb3 fail
> the ib_get_dma_mr() verb, regardless of installed memory.
> 
> I am not suggesting it fail to load, or fail other memreg requests. It
> should work normally in all other respects.

Even with its limitation, doesn't it have utility for someone using cxgb3 in an embedded 32b environment? 



WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: "Steve Wise" <swise-7bPotxP6k4+P2YhJcF5u+vpXobYPEAuW@public.gmane.org>
To: 'Tom Talpey' <tom-CLs1Zie5N5HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	'Jason Gunthorpe'
	<jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
Cc: 'Chuck Lever'
	<chuck.lever-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-nfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: RE: [PATCH v3 05/15] xprtrdma: Remove last ib_reg_phys_mr() call site
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 09:33:44 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <000301d0c3c2$3f892a50$be9b7ef0$@opengridcomputing.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <55AD8F05.6070409-CLs1Zie5N5HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: linux-rdma-owner-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org [mailto:linux-rdma-owner-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Tom Talpey
> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:15 PM
> To: Steve Wise; 'Jason Gunthorpe'
> Cc: 'Chuck Lever'; linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org; linux-nfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
> Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 05/15] xprtrdma: Remove last ib_reg_phys_mr() call site
> 
> On 7/20/2015 3:41 PM, Steve Wise wrote:
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Tom Talpey [mailto:tom-CLs1Zie5N5HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org]
> >> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 5:04 PM
> >> To: Steve Wise; 'Jason Gunthorpe'
> >> Cc: 'Chuck Lever'; linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org; linux-nfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
> >> Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 05/15] xprtrdma: Remove last ib_reg_phys_mr() call site
> >>
> >> On 7/20/2015 2:16 PM, Steve Wise wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: linux-nfs-owner-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org [mailto:linux-nfs-owner-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Jason Gunthorpe
> >>>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 4:06 PM
> >>>> To: Tom Talpey; Steve Wise
> >>>> Cc: Chuck Lever; linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org; linux-nfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
> >>>> Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 05/15] xprtrdma: Remove last ib_reg_phys_mr() call site
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 01:34:16PM -0700, Tom Talpey wrote:
> >>>>> On 7/20/2015 12:03 PM, Chuck Lever wrote:
> >>>>>> All HCA providers have an ib_get_dma_mr() verb. Thus
> >>>>>> rpcrdma_ia_open() will either grab the device's local_dma_key if one
> >>>>>> is available, or it will call ib_get_dma_mr() which is a 100%
> >>>>>> guaranteed fallback.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I recall that in the past, some providers did not support mapping
> >>>>> all of the machine's potential physical memory with a single dma_mr.
> >>>>> If an rnic did/does not support 44-ish bits of length per region,
> >>>>> for example.
> >>>>
> >>>> Looks like you are right, but the standard in kernel is to require
> >>>> ib_get_dma_mr, if the HCA can't do that, then it cannot be used on a
> >>>> big memory machine with kernel ULPs.
> >>>>
> >>>> Looking deeper, both amso1100 and cxgb3 seem limited to 32 bits of
> >>>> physical memory, and silently break all kernel ULPs if they are used
> >>>> on a modern machine with > 4G.
> >>>>
> >>>> Is that right Steve?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Yes.
> >>>
> >>>> Based on that, should we remove the cxgb3 driver as well? Or at least
> >>>> can you fix it up to at least fail get_dma_mr if there is too much
> >>>> ram?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I would like to keep cxgb3 around.  I can add code to fail if the memory is > 32b.  Do you know how I get the amount of
> > available
> >>> ram?
> >>
> >> A) are you sure it's an unsigned length, i.e. is it really 31 bits?
> >>
> >
> > yes.
> >
> >> B) why bother to check? Are machines with <4GB interesting, and worth
> >> supporting a special optimization?
> >
> > No, but cxgb3 is still interesting to user applications, and perhaps NFSRDMA using FRMRs.
> 
> I'm obviously not making myself clear. I am suggesting that cxgb3 fail
> the ib_get_dma_mr() verb, regardless of installed memory.
> 
> I am not suggesting it fail to load, or fail other memreg requests. It
> should work normally in all other respects.

Even with its limitation, doesn't it have utility for someone using cxgb3 in an embedded 32b environment? 


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  reply	other threads:[~2015-07-21 14:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 114+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-20 19:02 [PATCH v3 00/15] NFS/RDMA client side for Linux 4.3 Chuck Lever
2015-07-20 19:02 ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-20 19:02 ` [PATCH v3 01/15] xprtrdma: Make xprt_setup_rdma() agnostic to family of server address Chuck Lever
2015-07-20 19:02   ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-26 16:49   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-07-26 16:49     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-07-20 19:02 ` [PATCH v3 02/15] xprtrdma: Raise maximum payload size to one megabyte Chuck Lever
2015-07-20 19:02   ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-20 19:02 ` [PATCH v3 03/15] xprtrdma: Increase default credit limit Chuck Lever
2015-07-20 19:02   ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-20 19:03 ` [PATCH v3 04/15] xprtrdma: Don't fall back to PHYSICAL memory registration Chuck Lever
2015-07-20 19:03   ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-26 16:50   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-07-26 16:50     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-07-20 19:03 ` [PATCH v3 05/15] xprtrdma: Remove last ib_reg_phys_mr() call site Chuck Lever
2015-07-20 19:03   ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-20 20:34   ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-20 20:34     ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-20 20:55     ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-20 20:55       ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-20 21:55       ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-20 21:55         ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-20 22:21         ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-20 22:21           ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-20 22:30           ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-20 22:30             ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-20 21:05     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-20 21:05       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-20 21:16       ` Steve Wise
2015-07-20 21:16         ` Steve Wise
2015-07-20 22:04         ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-20 22:04           ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-20 22:17           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-20 22:17             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-20 22:26             ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-20 22:26               ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-20 22:41           ` Steve Wise
2015-07-20 22:41             ` Steve Wise
2015-07-20 22:42             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-20 22:42               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-21 22:41               ` Steve Wise
2015-07-21 22:41                 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-21 22:54                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-21 22:54                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-22 13:58                   ` Steve Wise
2015-07-22 13:58                     ` Steve Wise
2015-07-21  0:15             ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-21  0:15               ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-21 14:33               ` Steve Wise [this message]
2015-07-21 14:33                 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-21 20:47                 ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-21 20:47                   ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-21 20:55                   ` Steve Wise
2015-07-21 20:55                     ` Steve Wise
2015-07-21 21:22                   ` Steve Wise
2015-07-21 21:22                     ` Steve Wise
2015-07-20 21:34       ` Steve Wise
2015-07-20 21:34         ` Steve Wise
2015-07-20 21:37       ` Steve Wise
2015-07-20 21:37         ` Steve Wise
2015-07-20 22:13         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-20 22:13           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-20 22:43           ` Steve Wise
2015-07-20 22:43             ` Steve Wise
2015-07-20 22:54             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-20 22:54               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-20 22:54               ` Steve Wise
2015-07-20 22:54                 ` Steve Wise
2015-07-20 22:26   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-20 22:26     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-20 22:31     ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-20 22:31       ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-20 22:41       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-20 22:41         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2015-07-20 23:36         ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-20 23:36           ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-21  0:11           ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-21  0:11             ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-21  0:34             ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-21  0:34               ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-21  1:03               ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-21  1:03                 ` Tom Talpey
2015-07-20 19:03 ` [PATCH v3 06/15] xprtrdma: Clean up rpcrdma_ia_open() Chuck Lever
2015-07-20 19:03   ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-26 16:53   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-07-26 16:53     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-07-26 18:21     ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-26 18:21       ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-26 18:51       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-07-26 18:51         ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-07-20 19:03 ` [PATCH v3 07/15] xprtrdma: Remove logic that constructs RDMA_MSGP type calls Chuck Lever
2015-07-20 19:03   ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-20 19:03 ` [PATCH v3 08/15] xprtrdma: Account for RPC/RDMA header size when deciding to inline Chuck Lever
2015-07-20 19:03   ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-20 19:03 ` [PATCH v3 09/15] xprtrdma: Always provide a write list when sending NFS READ Chuck Lever
2015-07-20 19:03   ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-20 19:03 ` [PATCH v3 10/15] xprtrdma: Don't provide a reply chunk when expecting a short reply Chuck Lever
2015-07-20 19:03   ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-20 19:04 ` [PATCH v3 11/15] xprtrdma: Fix XDR tail buffer marshalling Chuck Lever
2015-07-20 19:04   ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-20 19:04 ` [PATCH v3 12/15] xprtrdma: Fix large NFS SYMLINK calls Chuck Lever
2015-07-20 19:04   ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-20 19:04 ` [PATCH v3 13/15] xprtrdma: Clean up xprt_rdma_print_stats() Chuck Lever
2015-07-20 19:04   ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-20 19:04 ` [PATCH v3 14/15] xprtrdma: Count RDMA_NOMSG type calls Chuck Lever
2015-07-20 19:04   ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-20 19:04 ` [PATCH v3 15/15] core: Remove the ib_reg_phys_mr() and ib_rereg_phys_mr() verbs Chuck Lever
2015-07-20 19:04   ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-21 20:08   ` Anna Schumaker
2015-07-21 20:08     ` Anna Schumaker
2015-07-21 20:16     ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-21 20:16       ` Chuck Lever
2015-07-21 20:18       ` Anna Schumaker
2015-07-21 20:18         ` Anna Schumaker

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