From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from jazzswing.ncsc.mil (jazzswing.ncsc.mil [144.51.68.65]) by tycho.ncsc.mil (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18538 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 21:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jazzswing.ncsc.mil (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jazzswing.ncsc.mil with ESMTP id BAA09068 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 01:35:24 GMT Received: from www.cabledns.net (internet.edu.nf [64.42.232.109] (may be forged)) by jazzswing.ncsc.mil with ESMTP id BAA09050 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2002 01:34:55 GMT Message-ID: <010001c20c31$1b799980$91c03b8e@OK> From: "Admissions Office" To: "McFadden, Ken" , "'Russell Coker'" , "JW" , "SE Linux" Cc: "Haigh, Tom" , "Carsten Grohmann" References: <31A81CDD9175D411815100508BE32AA60142F388@emss02m13.ems.lmco.com> Subject: Re: Sorry, read this one: Re: SELinux Dumb Questions Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:34:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-selinux@tycho.nsa.gov List-Id: selinux@tycho.nsa.gov Ok but, lets not let emotions rule the day. The NSA has done us all a service and we them. So in the true spirit of the internet lets work this out. Tom & I are playing phone tag but, we will speak.... And I bet we will have something to report back. No big deal ! Really. ----- Original Message ----- From: "McFadden, Ken" To: "'Russell Coker'" ; "JW" ; "SE Linux" Cc: "Haigh, Tom" ; "'Admissions Office'" ; "Carsten Grohmann" Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 16:28 Subject: RE: Sorry, read this one: Re: SELinux Dumb Questions > Once again, We are doing this for NSA and GNU NOT SECURE COMPUTING!!!!!!! > If Tom has a problem then they need to address it with the NSA and the > NSA can go forth and remove their crap or deem it as being GNU.....As I > see it SELinux will go on and if someone would like to use it then all > they would need to do is keep the original GNU licensing with it..... > Other words this is not our problem to work out but Tom's and NSA's........ > Until then I would treat it as GNU per NSA's web page!!!!!!! > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Russell Coker [mailto:russell@coker.com.au] > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 4:12 PM > To: JW; SE Linux > Cc: Haigh, Tom; 'Admissions Office'; Carsten Grohmann > Subject: Re: Sorry, read this one: Re: SELinux Dumb Questions > > > On Tue, 4 Jun 2002 23:49, JW wrote: > > Sorry about that last empty message, I accidently hit ^[ENTER] when I > meant > > hit shift... > > You had written enough to clarify the issue (I don't know how I missed Tom's > > message the first time). > > > IANAL, but it is my understanding that you cannot restrict the use or > > distribution of GPLd Free Software. It simply does not work that way, no > > exceptions, no excuses. Once code is GPLd it is free for all to use. You > > can change the license on future versions of the code, but you cannot go > > back and restrict GPL's code "after the fact" > > Yes. Unless of course they claim that they didn't GPL it, or that the GPL > only covers the code not the patent. > > > 2. It will need to be removed from Debian's tree -- at least moved to > > non-free, yet as I said before, if Secure Computing is correct, SE-Linux > is > > not legal to use with GPL'd software anyway (at least the way I see it). > > Stuff that. I'm not putting this much work into non-free stuff! If the > license gets changed to anything other than the GPL then I'll immediately > cease work and file critical bug reports against ftp.debian.org asking for > the packages to be removed. If Secure Computing want me to work on material > > that's patented by them then they'll have to pay me at my usual consulting > rates, plus back-pay for the last 6 months. > > > You'd better bet that GNU and other people who's code is being modified to > > work with SE-Linux will have ten purple cows on anyone who mixes non-free > > code with their GPLd code. > > The code can be still released as patches, but the problems of having them > becoming obsolete and not matching the version your OS uses will remain. > > Basically I think that SE Linux is as good as dead for anything other than > research use if this patent gets enforced. > > -- > I do not get viruses because I do not use MS software. > If you use Outlook then please do not put my email address in your > address-book so that WHEN you get a virus it won't use my address in the > >From field. > > -- > You have received this message because you are subscribed to the selinux > list. > If you no longer wish to subscribe, send mail to majordomo@tycho.nsa.gov > with > the words "unsubscribe selinux" without quotes as the message. > > -- > You have received this message because you are subscribed to the selinux list. > If you no longer wish to subscribe, send mail to majordomo@tycho.nsa.gov with > the words "unsubscribe selinux" without quotes as the message. > -- You have received this message because you are subscribed to the selinux list. 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