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From: Jesse Pollard <jesse@cats-chateau.net>
To: "Ihar 'Philips' Filipau" <filia@softhome.net>,
	Werner Almesberger <werner@almesberger.net>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: TOE brain dump
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 08:08:50 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <03080408085000.03433@tabby> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3F2E1F7B.3020906@softhome.net>

On Monday 04 August 2003 03:55, Ihar 'Philips' Filipau wrote:
> Werner Almesberger wrote:
> > Ihar 'Philips' Filipau wrote:
> >>    Modern NPUs generally do this.
> >
> > Unfortunately, they don't - they run *some* code, but that
> > is rarely a Linux kernel, or a substantial part of it.
>
>    Embedded CPU we are using is based MIPS, and has a lot of specialized
> instructions.
>    It makes not that much sense to run kernel (especially Linux) on CPU
> which is optimized for handling of network packets. (And has actually
> several co-processors to help in this task).
>    How much sense it makes to run general purpose OS (optimized for PCs
> and servers) on devices which can make only couple of functions? (and no
> MMU btw)
>    It is a whole idea behind this kind of CPUs - to do a few of
> functions - but to do them good.
>
>    If you will start stretching CPUs like this to fit Linux kernel - it
> will generally just increase price. Probably there are some markets
> which can afford this.
>
>    Remeber - "Small is beatiful" (c) - and linux kernel far from it.
>    Our routing code which handles two GE interfaces (actually not pure
> GE, but up to 2.5GB) fits into 3k. 3k of code - and that's it. not 650kb
> of bzip compressed bloat. And it handles two interfaces, handles fast
> data path from siblign interfaces, handles up to 1E6 routes. 3k of code.
> not 650k of bzip.

And it handles ipfilter?
and LSM security hooks?
how about IPSec?
and IPv6?

I don't think so.

  reply	other threads:[~2003-08-04 13:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <g83n.8vu.9@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-08-03 12:13 ` TOE brain dump Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-08-03 18:10   ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-04  8:55     ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-08-04 13:08       ` Jesse Pollard [this message]
2003-08-04 19:32       ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-04 19:48         ` David Lang
2003-08-04 19:56           ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-04 20:01             ` David Lang
2003-08-04 20:09               ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-04 20:24                 ` David Lang
2003-08-05  1:38                   ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-05  1:46                     ` David Lang
2003-08-05  1:54                       ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-05  2:30                         ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-06  1:47                           ` Val Henson
2003-08-05  3:04                       ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-04 23:30           ` Peter Chubb
2003-08-04 18:36 Perez-Gonzalez, Inaky
2003-08-04 19:03 ` Alan Cox
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-08-04 16:45 jamal
2003-08-04 18:48 ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-08-04 19:42   ` jamal
2003-08-04 20:06     ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
     [not found] <gq0f.8bj.9@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <gvCD.4mJ.5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <gJmp.7Th.33@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <gNpS.2YJ.9@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-08-04 14:15       ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-08-04 14:56         ` Jesse Pollard
2003-08-04 15:51           ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-08-02 17:04 Werner Almesberger
2003-08-02 17:32 ` Nivedita Singhvi
2003-08-02 18:06   ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-02 19:08   ` Jeff Garzik
2003-08-02 21:49     ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-03  6:40       ` Jeff Garzik
2003-08-03 17:57         ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-03 18:27           ` Erik Andersen
2003-08-03 19:40             ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-03 20:13               ` David Lang
2003-08-03 20:30                 ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-03 21:21                   ` David Lang
2003-08-03 21:21                     ` David Lang
2003-08-03 23:44                     ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-03 21:58                   ` Jeff Garzik
2003-08-05 19:28                   ` Timothy Miller
2003-08-03 20:34               ` jamal
2003-08-04  1:47         ` Glen Turner
2003-08-04  3:48           ` Larry McVoy
2003-08-04  5:25           ` David S. Miller
2003-08-06  7:12         ` Andre Hedrick
     [not found]         ` <Pine.LNX.4.10.10308060009130.25045-100000@master.linux-ide .org>
2003-08-06  8:20           ` Lincoln Dale
2003-08-06  8:22             ` David S. Miller
2003-08-06 13:07               ` Jesse Pollard
2003-08-03 19:21       ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-08-04 19:24         ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-04 19:26           ` David S. Miller
2003-08-05 17:25             ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-08-05 17:19           ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-08-06  5:13             ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-06  7:58               ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-08-06 13:37                 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-06 15:58                   ` Andy Isaacson
2003-08-06 16:27                     ` Chris Friesen
2003-08-06 17:01                       ` Andy Isaacson
2003-08-06 17:55                         ` Matti Aarnio
2003-08-07  2:14                         ` Lincoln Dale
2003-08-06 12:46             ` Jesse Pollard
2003-08-06 16:25               ` Andy Isaacson
2003-08-06 18:58                 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-08-06 19:39                   ` Andy Isaacson
2003-08-06 21:13                     ` David Schwartz
2003-08-03  4:01     ` Ben Greear
2003-08-03  6:22       ` Alan Shih
2003-08-03  6:22         ` Alan Shih
2003-08-03  6:41         ` Jeff Garzik
2003-08-03  8:25         ` David Lang
2003-08-03 18:05           ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-03 22:02           ` Alan Shih
2003-08-03 20:52       ` Alan Cox
2003-08-04 14:36     ` Ingo Oeser
2003-08-04 17:19       ` Alan Shih
2003-08-04 17:19         ` Alan Shih
2003-08-05  8:15         ` Ingo Oeser
2003-08-02 20:57 ` Alan Cox
2003-08-02 22:14   ` Werner Almesberger
2003-08-03 20:51     ` Alan Cox

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