From: Robert Love <rml@ufl.edu>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
Cc: safemode <safemode@speakeasy.net>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: 2.4.10-ac10-preempt lmbench output.
Date: 09 Oct 2001 23:24:36 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1002684288.862.123.camel@phantasy> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20011010050630.E726@athlon.random>
In-Reply-To: <20011010003636Z271005-760+23005@vger.kernel.org> <20011010031803.F8384@athlon.random> <20011010020935.50DEF1E756@Cantor.suse.de> <20011010043003.C726@athlon.random> <1002681480.1044.67.camel@phantasy> <20011010050630.E726@athlon.random>
On Tue, 2001-10-09 at 23:06, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> [...]
> I think the issue you raise is that dbench gets a 10msec more of cpu
> time and xmms starts running 10msec later than expected (because of the
> scheduler latency peak worst case of 10msec).
>
> But that doesn't matter. The scheduler isn't perfect anyways. The
> resolution of the scheduler is 10msec too, so you can easily lose 10msec
> anywhere else no matter of whatever scheduler latency of 10msec. [...]
I agree with generally everything you say.
I think, however, you are making two assumptions:
(a) xmms has a very large leeway in the timing of its execution
(b) the maximum time a process sits in kernel space is 10ms.
While I agree (a) is true, it may not be so in all scenerios.
Furthermore, the specified leeway does not exist for all timing-critical
tasks. Not all of these tasks are specialized real-time applications,
either.
Most importantly, however, the maximum latency of the system is not
10ms. Even _with_ preemption, we have observed greater latencies (due
to long held locks).
This is why I believe the a preemptible kernel benefits more than just
real-time signal processing.
Robert Love
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-10-10 3:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-10-10 0:36 2.4.10-ac10-preempt lmbench output safemode
2001-10-10 1:18 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-10 2:09 ` safemode
2001-10-10 2:10 ` Robert Love
2001-10-10 2:51 ` Andrea Arcangeli
[not found] ` <20011010020935.50DEF1E756@Cantor.suse.de>
2001-10-10 2:30 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-10 2:37 ` Robert Love
2001-10-10 3:06 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-10 3:24 ` Robert Love [this message]
2001-10-10 4:03 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-12 13:22 ` Pavel Machek
2001-10-13 20:42 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-13 23:21 ` Robert Love
2001-10-14 6:18 ` Pavel Machek
2001-10-10 5:25 ` Justin A
2001-10-10 19:42 ` Buffers, dbench and latency Roger Larsson
[not found] <200110100036.UAA128640@ufl.edu>
2001-10-10 2:02 ` 2.4.10-ac10-preempt lmbench output Robert Love
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-10-10 3:57 Dieter Nützel
[not found] <200110100358.f9A3wSB17421@zero.tech9.net>
2001-10-10 4:02 ` Robert Love
2001-10-10 4:04 ` Robert Love
2001-10-10 4:27 ` Andrea Arcangeli
[not found] <20011010035818.A556B1E760@Cantor.suse.de>
2001-10-10 4:23 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-10 4:42 ` Dieter Nützel
[not found] ` <20011010044242.82D131E768@Cantor.suse.de>
2001-10-10 4:48 ` Andrea Arcangeli
[not found] <200110100358.NAA17519@isis.its.uow.edu.au>
2001-10-10 5:13 ` Andrew Morton
2001-10-10 5:26 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-10 11:41 ` safemode
2001-10-10 12:00 ` safemode
[not found] ` <20011010120009.851921E7C9@Cantor.suse.de>
2001-10-10 13:36 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-10 15:37 ` Dieter Nützel
2001-10-10 20:10 ` Justin A
2001-10-10 23:42 ` safemode
2001-10-11 0:30 ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-10 18:14 ` george anzinger
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