From: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
To: Christoph Lameter <clameter@engr.sgi.com>
Cc: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Document Linux's memory barriers
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 17:35:08 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <10414.1141839308@warthog.cambridge.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0603080817500.5481@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com>
Christoph Lameter <clameter@engr.sgi.com> wrote:
> You need to explain the difference between the compiler reordering and the
> control of the compilers arrangement of loads and stores and the cpu
> reordering of stores and loads.
Hmmm... I would hope people looking at this doc would understand that, but
I'll see what I can come up with.
> Note that IA64 has a much more complete set of means to reorder stores and
> loads. i386 and x84_64 processors can only do limited reordering. So it may
> make sense to deal with general reordering and then explain i386 as a
> specific limited case.
Don't you need to use sacrifice_goat() for controlling the IA64? :-)
Besides, I'm not sure that I need to explain that any CPU is a limited case;
I'm primarily trying to define the basic minimal guarantees you can expect
from using a memory barrier, and what might happen if you don't. It shouldn't
matter which arch you're dealing with, especially if you're writing a driver.
I tried to create arch-specific sections for describing arch-specific implicit
barriers and the extent of the explicit memory barriers on each arch, but the
i386 section was generating lots of exceptions that it looked infeasible to
describe them; besides, you aren't allowed to rely on such features outside of
arch code (I count arch-specific drivers as "arch code" for this).
> See the "Intel Itanium Architecture Software Developer's Manual"
> (available from intels website). Look at Volume 1 section 2.6
> "Speculation" and 4.4 "Memory Access"
I've added that to the refs, thanks.
> Also the specific barrier functions of various locking elements varies to
> some extend.
Please elaborate.
David
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2006-03-07 17:40 [PATCH] Document Linux's memory barriers David Howells
2006-03-07 10:34 ` Andi Kleen
2006-03-07 18:30 ` David Howells
2006-03-07 11:13 ` Andi Kleen
2006-03-07 19:24 ` David Howells
2006-03-07 19:46 ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-03-07 18:46 ` Jesse Barnes
2006-03-07 19:23 ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2006-03-07 11:57 ` Andi Kleen
2006-03-07 20:01 ` Jesse Barnes
2006-03-07 21:14 ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2006-03-07 21:24 ` Andi Kleen
2006-03-08 0:36 ` Alan Cox
2006-03-08 0:35 ` Alan Cox
2006-03-07 17:47 ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-03-07 18:40 ` Alan Cox
2006-03-07 18:54 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-03-07 18:54 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-03-07 19:06 ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-03-07 19:15 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-03-07 19:15 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-03-09 11:26 ` Sergei Organov
2006-03-07 19:33 ` Alan Cox
2006-03-07 20:09 ` David Howells
2006-03-08 0:32 ` Alan Cox
2006-03-08 8:25 ` Duncan Sands
2006-03-08 22:06 ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-08 22:24 ` David S. Miller
2006-03-08 22:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-08 22:42 ` Alan Cox
2006-03-08 2:07 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-08 3:10 ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-08 3:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-08 12:34 ` David Howells
2006-03-08 16:40 ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2006-03-08 7:41 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-08 13:19 ` David Howells
2006-03-08 21:49 ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-08 22:05 ` Alan Cox
2006-03-10 0:49 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-03-08 14:37 ` [PATCH] Document Linux's memory barriers [try #2] David Howells
2006-03-08 14:55 ` Alan Cox
2006-03-08 15:41 ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-03-08 17:19 ` David Howells
2006-03-08 22:10 ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-08 23:08 ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2006-03-09 1:01 ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-09 16:02 ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2006-03-08 17:04 ` David Howells
2006-03-08 17:36 ` Alan Cox
2006-03-08 18:35 ` David Howells
2006-03-08 18:45 ` Alan Cox
2006-03-08 18:59 ` David Howells
2006-03-08 11:38 ` Andi Kleen
2006-03-08 19:08 ` David Howells
2006-03-08 19:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-08 19:31 ` David Howells
2006-03-09 0:35 ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-09 0:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-09 1:08 ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-09 1:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-09 2:38 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-09 3:45 ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-09 4:36 ` Jesse Barnes
2006-03-09 7:41 ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-09 5:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-09 12:27 ` David Howells
2006-03-09 11:44 ` Michael Buesch
2006-03-09 4:34 ` Jesse Barnes
2006-03-09 4:43 ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-09 10:05 ` Jes Sorensen
2006-03-09 0:55 ` Jesse Barnes
2006-03-09 1:57 ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-09 4:26 ` Jesse Barnes
2006-03-08 19:40 ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-03-09 0:37 ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-09 0:59 ` Jesse Barnes
2006-03-09 1:36 ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-09 4:18 ` Jesse Barnes
2006-03-08 19:54 ` Jesse Barnes
2006-03-08 20:02 ` Alan Cox
2006-03-08 22:01 ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-08 22:23 ` David S. Miller
2006-03-08 19:37 ` [PATCH] Document Linux's memory barriers [try #3] David Howells
2006-03-09 14:01 ` David Howells
2006-03-09 12:02 ` [PATCH] Document Linux's memory barriers [try #2] Sergei Organov
2006-03-08 16:18 ` [PATCH] Document Linux's memory barriers Pavel Machek
2006-03-08 20:16 ` David Howells
2006-03-08 22:01 ` Alan Cox
2006-03-09 11:41 ` David Howells
2006-03-09 12:28 ` Alan Cox
2006-03-09 13:02 ` David Howells
2006-03-09 16:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-09 17:39 ` David Howells
2006-03-09 17:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-09 17:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-08 16:26 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-03-08 17:35 ` David Howells [this message]
2006-03-08 17:46 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-03-08 17:59 ` Alan Cox
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2006-03-07 23:17 Chuck Ebbert
2006-03-08 0:15 ` David S. Miller
2006-03-08 0:24 ` Roberto Nibali
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2006-03-08 1:10 ` Robert Hancock
2006-03-08 11:35 ` Alan Cox
2006-03-08 14:55 ` Andi Kleen
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