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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@steeleye.com>
To: "Philip R. Auld" <pauld@egenera.com>
Cc: Simon Kelley <simon@thekelleys.org.uk>,
	SCSI Mailing List <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Is there a grand plan for FC failover?
Date: 28 Jan 2004 10:57:29 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1075309052.2254.6.camel@mulgrave> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040128100236.D11527@vienna.EGENERA.COM>

On Wed, 2004-01-28 at 09:02, Philip R. Auld wrote:
> 	1) load balancing when possible: it's not enough to be just a 
> 		failover mechanism.

For first out, a failover target supplies most of the needs.  Nothing
prevents an aggregation target being added later, but failover is
essential.

>         2) requiring a userspace program to execute for failover is 
> 	problematic when it could be the root disk that needs 
> 	failing over.

Userspace is required for *configuration* not failover.  The path
targets failover automatically as they see I/O down particular paths
timing out or failing.  That being said, nothing prevents async
notifications via hotplug also triggering a failover (rather than having
to wait for timeout etc) but it's not required.

>  	3) Handling partitions is a problem.

It is? How? The block approach can sit either above or below partitions
(assuming a slightly more flexible handling of partitions that dm
provides).

> I see multipath and md/RAID as two different animals. Multipathing is 
> multiple ways to reach the same physical block. That is it's under 
> the logical layer. While RAID is multiple ways to reach the same 
> logical block. It's basically many-to-one vs one-to-many. Having 
> multiple physical paths to a logical partition is a little 
> counter-intuitive.

Nothing in the discussion assumed them to be similar.  The notes were
that md already had a multi-path target, and that translated error
indications would be useful to software raid.  Thus designing the
fastfail to cater to both looks like a good idea, but that's just good
design.  Robust multi-pathing and raid will be built on top of
scsi/block fastfail.

James



  reply	other threads:[~2004-01-28 16:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-01-26 14:18 Is there a grand plan for FC failover? Simon Kelley
2004-01-26 15:37 ` James Bottomley
2004-01-28 15:02   ` Philip R. Auld
2004-01-28 16:57     ` James Bottomley [this message]
2004-01-28 18:00       ` Philip R. Auld
2004-01-28 20:47         ` Patrick Mansfield
2004-01-28 22:14           ` James Bottomley
2004-01-29  0:55             ` Patrick Mansfield
2004-01-30 19:48               ` [dm-devel] " Joe Thornber
2004-01-31  9:30                 ` Jens Axboe
2004-01-31 16:59                   ` Philip R. Auld
2004-01-31 17:42                     ` Jens Axboe
2004-02-12 15:17                       ` Philip R. Auld
2004-02-12 15:28                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-02-12 16:03                           ` Philip R. Auld
2004-01-28 22:37         ` Mike Christie
2004-01-29 15:24           ` Philip R. Auld
2004-01-29 16:00             ` James Bottomley
2004-01-29 23:25               ` Mike Christie
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-01-28 21:02 Smart, James
2004-01-28 22:16 ` James Bottomley
2004-01-29 14:49   ` Philip R. Auld
2004-01-29 15:05     ` James Bottomley
2004-01-29 17:35 Smart, James
2004-01-29 18:31 ` Mike Anderson
2004-01-29 18:31 ` James Bottomley
2004-01-29 18:41 Smart, James
2004-01-29 19:37 Smart, James

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