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From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>,
	Marek Habersack <grendel@caudium.net>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo.tosatti@cyclades.com>,
	Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>, Chris Wright <chrisw@osdl.org>,
	akpm@osdl.org,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: thoughts on kernel security issues
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 21:25:07 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1105651504.4624.150.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0501131255590.2310@ppc970.osdl.org>

On Iau, 2005-01-13 at 21:03, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, Alan Cox wrote:
>  - no embargo, no rules, but "private" in the sense that it's supposed to 
>    be for kernel developers only or at least people who won't take 
>    advantage of it.
> 
>    _I_ think this is the one that makes sense. No hard rules, but private 
>    enough that people won't feel _guilty_ about reporting problems. Right 
>    now I sometimes get private email from people who don't want to point
>    out some local DoS or similar, and that can certainly get lost in the
>    flow.

And also not passed on to vendors and other folks which is a pita and
this would fix
> 
>  - _short_ embargo, for kernel-only. I obviously believe that vendor-sec 
>    is whoring itself for security firms and vendors. I believe there would 
>    be a place for something with stricter rules on disclosure.

Seems these two could be the same list with a bit of respect for users
wishes and common sense.

> It's not a black-and-white thing. I refuse to believe that most security 
> problems are found by people without any morals. I believe that somewhere 
> in the middle is where most people feel most comfortable.

Seems sane


  reply	other threads:[~2005-01-13 22:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 212+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-01-12 17:48 thoughts on kernel security issues Chris Wright
2005-01-12 15:06 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-12 18:49   ` Chris Wright
2005-01-12 18:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-12 18:44   ` Chris Wright
2005-01-12 18:57     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-12 19:21       ` Chris Wright
2005-01-12 20:59       ` Jesper Juhl
2005-01-12 21:27       ` Greg KH
2005-01-12 18:51   ` Greg KH
2005-01-12 19:01     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-12 16:12       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-12 20:00         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-12 17:42           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-13 15:36             ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 17:22               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-13 21:20                 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 17:52               ` Florian Weimer
2005-01-13 19:42               ` Marek Habersack
2005-01-13 19:19                 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 20:44                   ` Marek Habersack
2005-01-14 10:22                     ` Wichert Akkerman
2005-01-14 12:10                       ` Julian T. J. Midgley
2005-01-14 14:52                         ` Florian Weimer
2005-01-14 15:12                           ` Julian T. J. Midgley
2005-01-15  0:33                             ` Alan Cox
2005-01-14 13:55                       ` Marek Habersack
2005-01-13 19:50                 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-13 20:29                   ` Marek Habersack
2005-01-13 19:41                     ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 20:57                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-13 21:22                         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13 21:15                           ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 22:41                             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13 21:41                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-13 21:02                       ` Marek Habersack
2005-01-13 21:30                         ` Dave Jones
2005-01-13 21:48                           ` Marek Habersack
2005-01-13 22:06                             ` Dave Jones
2005-01-13 22:21                               ` Marek Habersack
2005-01-13 23:30                               ` Jesper Juhl
2005-01-15  0:34                                 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-15  2:56                                   ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-01-13 20:03                 ` Dave Jones
2005-01-13 20:10                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13 19:27                     ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 21:03                       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13 21:25                         ` Alan Cox [this message]
2005-01-13 22:47                           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13 23:15                           ` Chris Wright
2005-01-14 18:34                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-01-14 19:15                           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-14 22:13                             ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-01-14 22:51                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-15  0:34                                 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-15  4:19                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-15  5:36                                 ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-18 22:27                             ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-19  2:34                               ` Alban Browaeys
2005-01-19 19:13                                 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-13 20:32                   ` Marek Habersack
2005-01-12 20:27           ` Chris Wright
2005-01-12 20:57             ` Greg KH
2005-01-13 15:36               ` Alan Cox
2005-01-12 21:20             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-12 20:28           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-12 18:03             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-13  3:18             ` Christian
2005-01-12 20:53           ` Dave Jones
2005-01-12 20:59             ` Greg KH
2005-01-13  2:09             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13  2:28               ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-13  2:51                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13  3:05                   ` David Blomberg
2005-01-13  2:56                 ` Greg KH
2005-01-13  3:01                 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-13  3:35                 ` Dave Jones
2005-01-13  3:42                   ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-13  3:54                     ` Chris Wright
2005-01-13  4:49                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-13  6:54                       ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-13  7:19                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-13  7:25                         ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-13  4:48                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13  5:51                     ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-13  7:28                     ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-13  7:42                       ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-13  8:02                         ` David Lang
2005-01-13 10:05                           ` Willy Tarreau
2005-01-13  8:23                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-13 16:38                       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13 16:12                         ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 17:33                           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13 17:49                             ` Chris Wright
2005-01-13 18:53                             ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 18:59                             ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-13 19:22                               ` Norbert van Nobelen
2005-01-13 19:35                                 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-13 19:46                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13 19:57                                 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-14 12:39                             ` Horst von Brand
2005-01-14 15:45                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-14 15:52                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-14 15:57                                 ` Stephen Smalley
2005-01-14 16:17                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2005-01-15  0:33                                 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 17:01                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-13 17:19                           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-13 17:45                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-13 18:31                             ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-19 10:30                               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-19 17:20                                 ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-19 17:47                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-19 18:35                                     ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-19 18:55                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-19 19:46                                         ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-19 19:53                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-20  8:46                                           ` [Lists-linux-kernel-news] " Ingo Molnar
2005-01-20  8:35                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-20 10:44                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-20 18:16                                         ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-20 18:53                                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-20 18:55                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-20 19:17                                             ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-20 19:22                                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-20 21:24                                             ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-19 17:52                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-19 18:50                                     ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-19 19:47                                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-19 19:53                                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-19 20:44                                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-19 20:12                                         ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-19 20:42                                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-19 21:03                                             ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-19 22:02                                               ` Splitting up grsecurity and PAX (was " Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-19 20:47                                           ` Diego Calleja
2005-01-25 15:05                                         ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-25 15:52                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-25 17:27                                             ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-25 18:01                                               ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-25 18:30                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-25 18:37                                                   ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-25 18:57                                                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-01-25 19:56                                                       ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-25 20:25                                                         ` J. Bruce Fields
2005-01-25 20:29                                                           ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-25 20:46                                                             ` J. Bruce Fields
2005-01-25 20:53                                                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-25 20:59                                                           ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-25 21:05                                                         ` linux-os
2005-01-25 21:20                                                           ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-26 15:15                                                           ` Jesse Pollard
2005-01-26 16:09                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-26 19:15                                                               ` Olaf Hering
2005-01-26 19:28                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-26 19:38                                                                   ` Olaf Hering
2005-01-26 19:53                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-30 15:39                                                                 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-26 19:24                                                               ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-26 19:56                                                             ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-27 16:37                                                               ` Jesse Pollard
2005-01-27 17:18                                                                 ` Zan Lynx
2005-01-27 22:18                                                                   ` Jesse Pollard
2005-01-27 23:20                                                                   ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-27 23:36                                                                     ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-28  0:23                                                                       ` linux-os
2005-01-28  0:15                                                                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-01-26  0:01                                                         ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-26  0:40                                                           ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-25 19:05                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-25 20:03                                                       ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-25 21:17                                                         ` Al Viro
2005-01-26 16:06                                                         ` Sytse Wielinga
2005-01-26 19:31                                                           ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-26 19:50                                                             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-26 20:02                                                               ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-26 20:26                                                             ` Sytse Wielinga
2005-01-26 20:39                                                               ` John Richard Moser
2005-01-26 20:49                                                                 ` Sytse Wielinga
2005-01-25 18:08                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-01-14 21:57                             ` Russell King
2005-01-19 12:56                     ` Pavel Machek
2005-01-19 20:02                     ` Bill Davidsen
2005-01-13  4:49                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-13  5:19                     ` Dave Jones
2005-01-13 15:36                 ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13  3:25               ` Dave Jones
2005-01-13  3:53                 ` Marek Habersack
2005-01-13  5:38                   ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-13  8:59                     ` Florian Weimer
2005-01-13 15:31                       ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-01-13 15:36                       ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 19:25                     ` thoughts on kernel security issuesiig Marek Habersack
2005-01-13 15:36                   ` thoughts on kernel security issues Alan Cox
2005-01-13 19:25                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-13 19:33                       ` Dave Jones
2005-01-13 19:35                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-13 18:55                           ` Alan Cox
2005-01-13 19:59                           ` Dave Jones
2005-01-13 19:36                     ` Marek Habersack
2005-01-13  8:23               ` Florian Weimer
2005-01-13 16:00               ` Kristofer T. Karas
2005-01-13  3:37         ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-12 19:18       ` Greg KH
2005-01-12 19:38         ` Chris Wright
2005-01-12 19:41         ` Florian Weimer
2005-01-12 23:10           ` Chris Wright
2005-01-12 19:43 ` Florian Weimer
2005-01-12 22:46   ` Chris Wright
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-01-12 20:49 Hubert Tonneau
2005-01-13 17:29 ` Chris Wright
2005-02-27 12:38 linux

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