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From: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Esben Nielsen <simlo@phys.au.dk>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.12-rc1-V0.7.41-07
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:46:34 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1112201194.3691.128.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050330065011.GA18417@elte.hu>

On Wed, 2005-03-30 at 08:50 +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> wrote:
> 
> > OK, I'm declaring defeat here. I've been fighting race conditions all 
> > day, and it's now 1 in the morning where I live. It looks like this 
> > implementation has no other choice but to have the waking up "pending 
> > owner" take the wait_list lock once again.  How heavy of a overhead is 
> > that really?
> 
> as i mentioned it before, taking a lock is not a big issue at all. Since 
> you have to touch the lock data structure anyway (and all of it fits 
> into a single cacheline), it doesnt really matter whether it's atomic 
> flag setting/clearing, or raw spinlock based.c0267ad4
> 

OK, I've implemented adding the write_lock, but I still have a nasty
race condition, and I finally figured out why!

The damn BKL!  Here's the situation I'm having.

Process A grabs BKL then tries to grab another semaphore (say sem X)
But process B has sem X so process A sleeps.
Since semaphores don't have the restriction of saving the BKL, the BKL
   gets released from process A.
Process C comes along and grabs the BKL.
Finally B releases sem X and process A becomes the new "pending owner" 
  and wakes up.
When A schedules in it tries to grab the BKL but blocks. Now it is at
  the point where A doesn't actually own either the BKL or sem X. 
When C releases the BKL and gives it to A, A is now the pending owner
  of both the BKL and sem X.

When this occurs, all hell breaks loose. 

I believe I can solve this by making the BKL a special case and not
implement the pending owner at all for it.

> later on, once things are stable and well-understood, we can still 
> attempt to micro-optimize it.
> 

Heck, I'll make it bloat city till I get it working, and then tone it
down a little :-)  And maybe later we can have a better solution for the
BKL.

-- Steve



  reply	other threads:[~2005-03-30 16:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-03-19 19:16 [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.12-rc1-V0.7.41-00 Ingo Molnar
2005-03-20  0:24 ` Lee Revell
2005-03-21 15:42   ` K.R. Foley
2005-03-20  1:33 ` Lee Revell
2005-03-20  1:50   ` K.R. Foley
2005-03-20  4:32     ` Lee Revell
2005-03-20 22:40       ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-20 17:45 ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-21  8:53   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-21  9:01     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-21  9:06       ` [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.12-rc1-V0.7.41-01 Ingo Molnar
2005-03-21 23:10         ` Magnus Naeslund(t)
2005-03-22  5:40           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-22  8:50             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-22 13:56             ` Magnus Naeslund(t)
2005-03-23  5:46               ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-22  5:43         ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-22  7:24           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-22  9:23             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-22  9:32               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-22 10:01                 ` [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.12-rc1-V0.7.41-05 Ingo Molnar
2005-03-22 11:28                   ` [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.12-rc1-V0.7.41-07 Ingo Molnar
2005-03-22 15:06                     ` K.R. Foley
2005-03-22 18:05                     ` Magnus Naeslund(t)
2005-03-23  6:16                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-23  6:33                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-23  6:37                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-24  6:06                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-23  7:16                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-23  7:54                           ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-23  7:58                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-23  8:29                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2005-03-23  9:03                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-24  6:45                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-23 21:46                           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-24  6:59                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-24  6:38                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-23  9:38                         ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-23  9:49                           ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-24  6:52                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-24  5:28                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-24  5:34                           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-24  7:46                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-24  8:31                             ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-24  8:47                               ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-24 10:45                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-24 11:39                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-24 14:33                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-24 17:51                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-24 18:17                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-24 23:05                                   ` Esben Nielsen
2005-03-25  6:19                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-26 16:31                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-26 19:11                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-26 16:04                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-30  6:31                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-30  6:50                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-30 16:46                                           ` Steven Rostedt [this message]
2005-03-30 19:44                                             ` Esben Nielsen
2005-03-30 19:56                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-30 21:39                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-30 21:43                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-31 11:03                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-31 12:03                                                     ` Esben Nielsen
2005-03-31 12:14                                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-31 13:33                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-31 12:22                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-31 12:36                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-31 12:58                                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-31 13:28                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-31 12:49                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-31 14:10                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-31 17:41                                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-31 17:49                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-31 18:17                                                             ` Gene Heskett
2005-03-31 21:00                                                               ` [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.12-rc1-V0.7.41-07 (update) Gene Heskett
2005-03-31 20:22                                                             ` [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.12-rc1-V0.7.41-07 Steven Rostedt
2005-04-01  0:59                                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2005-04-01  4:43                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-04-01  5:13                                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-04-01  5:19                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-04-01 12:27                                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2005-04-07 21:21                                                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2005-04-10 10:31                                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-04-10 15:06                                                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-24 10:42                               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-23  9:40                       ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-23  9:48                         ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-23  5:23                   ` [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.12-rc1-V0.7.41-05 Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-23  4:48                 ` [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.12-rc1-V0.7.41-01 Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-23  6:21                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-22  8:59           ` Ingo Molnar

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