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From: Eric St-Laurent <ericstl34@sympatico.ca>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>,
	Jesper Juhl <jesper.juhl@gmail.com>, Chris Wedgwood <cw@f00f.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, "Brown, Len" <len.brown@intel.com>,
	dtor_core@ameritech.net, vojtech@suse.cz,
	david.lang@digitalinsight.com, davidsen@tmr.com,
	kernel@kolivas.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	mbligh@mbligh.org, diegocg@gmail.com, azarah@nosferatu.za.org,
	christoph@lameter.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] i386: Selectable Frequency of the Timer Interrupt
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:00:55 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1121392856.7934.11.camel@orbiter> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0507141718350.19183@g5.osdl.org>

On Thu, 2005-07-14 at 17:24 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005, Lee Revell wrote:
> 
> Trust me. When I say that the right thing to do is to just have a fixed 
> (but high) HZ value, and just changing the timer rate, I'm -right-.
> 
> I'm always right. This time I'm just even more right than usual.

Of course you are, jiffies are simple and efficient.

But it may be worthwhile to provide better/simpler API for relative
timeouts and also better hide the implementation details of the tick
system.


If i sum-up the discussion from my POV:

- use a 32-bit tick counter on 32-bit platforms and use a 64-bit counter
on 64-bit platforms

- keep the constant HZ=1000 (mS resolution) on 32-bit platforms

- remove the assumption that timer interrupts and jiffies are 1:1 thing
(jiffies may be incremented by >1 ticks at timer interrupt)

- determine jiffies_increment at boot

- have a slow clock mode to help power management (adjust
jiffies_increment by the slowdown factor)

- it may be useful to bump up HZ to 1e6 (uS res.) or 1e9 (nS res.) on
64-bit platforms, if there are benefits such as better accuracy during
time units conversions or if a higher frequency timer hardware is
available/viable.

- it may be also useful to bump HZ on -RT (Real-time) kernels, or with
-HRT (High-resolution timers support). Users of those kernel are willing
to pay the cost of the overhead to have better resolution

- avoid direct usage of the jiffies variable, instead use jiffies()
(inline or MACRO), IMO monotonic_clock() would be a better name

- provide a relative timeout API (see my previous post, or Alan's
suggestions)

- remove most of the direct use of jiffies through the code and replace
them with msleep(), relative timer, etc

- use human units for those APIs


- Eric St-Laurent



  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-07-15  2:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 243+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <200506231828.j5NISlCe020350@hera.kernel.org>
2005-07-08 21:49 ` [PATCH] i386: Selectable Frequency of the Timer Interrupt Chris Wedgwood
2005-07-08 21:59   ` Andrew Morton
2005-07-08 22:05     ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-07-08 22:08     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-10 10:45       ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-07-08 22:22     ` Lee Revell
2005-07-08 22:33       ` Andrew Morton
2005-07-08 22:59     ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-08 23:03       ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-07-08 23:14         ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-08 23:29           ` David S. Miller
2005-07-08 23:40             ` Lee Revell
2005-07-09 17:08     ` Martin Schlemmer
2005-07-09 18:16       ` Lee Revell
2005-07-09 18:31         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-07-09 18:33           ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-07-09 18:36           ` Lee Revell
2005-07-09 19:12             ` Andrew Morton
2005-07-09 19:16               ` Lee Revell
2005-07-09 20:30                 ` randy_dunlap
2005-07-09 21:25                   ` Lee Revell
2005-07-09 23:30                     ` Randy Dunlap
2005-07-11 18:35                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-11 13:23                 ` Alan Cox
2005-07-11 14:05                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-07-11 14:08                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-07-11 15:18                       ` Alan Cox
2005-07-12  2:13                       ` Eric St-Laurent
2005-07-11 16:02                     ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-07-15 12:17                       ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-13 15:59                     ` Bill Davidsen
2005-07-13 16:47                       ` Lee Revell
2005-07-10  0:44           ` pmarques
2005-07-09 18:39         ` Diego Calleja
2005-07-09 18:41           ` Lee Revell
2005-07-09 18:49             ` Lee Revell
2005-07-09 18:50               ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-07-11 18:38             ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-11 20:25               ` Lee Revell
2005-07-11 20:39                 ` Chris Friesen
2005-07-12  0:30                   ` Lee Revell
2005-07-12  4:07                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-12  4:13                       ` Lee Revell
2005-07-12  4:30                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-12 14:21                           ` Lee Revell
2005-07-12 14:24                           ` Lee Revell
2005-07-12 14:56                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-12 15:00                               ` Lee Revell
2005-07-12 15:08                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-12 15:10                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-07-12 15:22                                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-12 19:30                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-07-12 20:58                           ` Lee Revell
2005-07-12 22:22                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-13  5:37                               ` Lee Revell
2005-07-13 10:38                               ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-07-13 18:42                                 ` High irq load (Re: [PATCH] i386: Selectable Frequency of the Timer Interrupt) Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14 14:25                                   ` Peter Osterlund
2005-07-18  5:53                                     ` Herbert Poetzl
2005-07-12  0:38               ` [PATCH] i386: Selectable Frequency of the Timer Interrupt George Anzinger
2005-07-12 12:10                 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-07-12 12:39                   ` Con Kolivas
2005-07-12 12:52                     ` Con Kolivas
2005-07-12 15:57                       ` George Anzinger
2005-07-12 16:27                         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-07-13 16:26                           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-07-13 16:46                             ` Lee Revell
2005-07-13 17:24                             ` David Lang
2005-07-13 18:42                               ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-07-13 19:10                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-13 19:13                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-07-13 19:32                                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-07-13 19:33                                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-13 20:02                                         ` Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2005-07-13 20:17                                         ` Lee Revell
2005-07-13 20:24                                       ` Lee Revell
2005-07-13 20:48                                         ` Andrew Morton
2005-07-13 21:16                                           ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-07-13 21:24                                             ` Lee Revell
2005-07-13 21:35                                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-13 21:37                                               ` Chris Friesen
2005-07-13 21:56                                               ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-07-13 23:07                                               ` George Anzinger
2005-07-13 21:29                                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-13 21:30                                             ` Lee Revell
2005-07-13 23:41                                             ` dean gaudet
2005-07-14  0:07                                               ` Petr Vandrovec
2005-07-14  9:24                                                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-07-14 14:20                                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-07-14 18:05                                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-07-14 18:20                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14  0:51                                               ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-07-14  1:13                                                 ` dean gaudet
2005-07-14  1:33                                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-07-14  1:54                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14  7:42                                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-07-14 12:13                                                         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-07-14 16:37                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14 17:02                                                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-07-14 17:21                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14 19:09                                                                 ` Russell King
2005-07-14 20:06                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14 20:30                                                                     ` Russell King
2005-07-15  8:15                                                                     ` Gerd Knorr
2005-07-14 20:38                                                                 ` Johannes Stezenbach
2005-07-14 17:42                                                               ` Al Boldi
2005-07-14 19:42                                                               ` john stultz
2005-07-14 20:13                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14 20:41                                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2005-07-14 23:03                                                                     ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-07-14 21:54                                                                   ` john stultz
2005-07-14 22:43                                                                   ` Alan Cox
2005-07-14 23:19                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-15 12:33                                                                       ` Alan Cox
2005-07-14 17:10                                                             ` Chris Friesen
2005-07-14 17:24                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14 19:18                                                             ` john stultz
2005-07-14 22:37                                                             ` Alan Cox
2005-07-14 23:13                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14 23:32                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-15  1:17                                                               ` Eric St-Laurent
2005-07-14 23:17                                                             ` Lee Revell
2005-07-14 23:25                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14 23:41                                                                 ` Lee Revell
2005-07-14 23:49                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14 23:53                                                                     ` Lee Revell
2005-07-15 12:42                                                                       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-07-14 23:57                                                                     ` Lee Revell
2005-07-15  2:30                                                                     ` Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2005-07-15 12:46                                                                       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-07-15 16:46                                                                         ` Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
     [not found]                                                                     ` <Pine.LNX.4.58.0507141648070.19183-hNm40g4Ew95AfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2005-07-30  5:49                                                                       ` [GIT PATCH] ACPI patches for 2.6.13 Len Brown
2005-07-30  5:49                                                                         ` Len Brown
2005-07-30  9:58                                                                         ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-30  9:58                                                                           ` [ACPI] " Pavel Machek
2005-08-03 23:16                                                                         ` [GIT PATCH] ACPI patches for 2.6.13-rc5 Len Brown
2005-08-03 23:16                                                                           ` Len Brown
2005-08-04 17:11                                                                           ` [GIT PATCH] ACPI patches for 2.6.13-rc5+ Len Brown
2005-08-04 17:11                                                                             ` Len Brown
2005-08-15 20:35                                                                             ` [GIT PATCH] ACPI patch for 2.6.13-rc6 Len Brown
2005-08-15 20:35                                                                               ` Len Brown
2005-07-14 23:50                                                                 ` [PATCH] i386: Selectable Frequency of the Timer Interrupt Lee Revell
2005-07-15  4:08                                                                 ` Con Kolivas
2005-07-15  4:17                                                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-07-15  4:54                                                                     ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-07-15 16:59                                                                       ` Lee Revell
2005-07-15 14:51                                                                         ` kernel
2005-07-14 18:00                                                           ` Andrew Morton
2005-07-14  8:38                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-07-14 14:55                                                         ` Lee Revell
2005-07-14 15:02                                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2005-07-14 15:25                                                             ` Lee Revell
2005-07-15 11:38                                                             ` [OT] high precision hardware (was Re: [PATCH] i386: Selectable Frequency of the Timer Interrupt) Paul Jakma
2005-07-15 15:57                                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2005-07-15 16:13                                                                 ` Lee Revell
2005-07-14  2:08                                                   ` [PATCH] i386: Selectable Frequency of the Timer Interrupt Lee Revell
2005-07-14  9:56                                                     ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2005-07-15  0:04                                             ` Jesper Juhl
2005-07-15  0:15                                               ` Lee Revell
2005-07-15  0:17                                                 ` Jesper Juhl
2005-07-15  0:42                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-15  8:41                                                     ` Russell King
2005-07-15  0:24                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-15  1:40                                                   ` Jesper Juhl
2005-07-15  2:00                                                   ` Eric St-Laurent [this message]
2005-07-15 19:58                                                     ` Stephen Pollei
2005-07-16  5:16                                                       ` Eric St-Laurent
2005-07-15  2:07                                                   ` Bill Davidsen
2005-07-15  9:36                                                     ` Matthias Urlichs
2005-07-15  3:46                                                   ` Jesper Juhl
2005-07-15  5:04                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-15 13:12                                                       ` Jesper Juhl
2005-07-17  2:13                                                         ` Jesper Juhl
2005-07-17  2:35                                                           ` Lee Revell
2005-07-17  2:35                                                           ` Nish Aravamudan
2005-07-17  3:55                                                             ` Lee Revell
2005-07-23 23:40                                                               ` randy_dunlap
2005-07-25 13:26                                                                 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-07-23 23:48                                                     ` randy_dunlap
2005-07-23 23:52                                                       ` Jesper Juhl
2005-07-24 12:58                                                         ` Bill Davidsen
2005-07-15  8:44                                                   ` Russell King
2005-07-15 15:41                                           ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-13 20:02                                     ` Diego Calleja
2005-07-13 19:35                                   ` Benjamin LaHaise
2005-07-13 19:41                                     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-07-13 19:53                                       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2005-07-14 10:04                                         ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2005-07-13 19:52                                   ` George Anzinger
2005-07-13 23:54                                   ` Con Kolivas
2005-07-14  0:43                                     ` George Anzinger
2005-07-14 10:25                                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-07-14 12:19                                     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-07-14 21:19                                       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-07-15  1:19                               ` Bill Davidsen
2005-07-12 13:30                     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-07-12 14:05                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-07-12 16:07                         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-07-12 15:26                       ` [PATCH] " Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-12 17:50                         ` john stultz
2005-07-12 22:30                           ` Nishanth Aravamudan
2005-07-12 17:56                 ` john stultz
2005-07-12  0:45               ` Lee Revell
2005-07-11 13:18     ` Alan Cox
     [not found] <F7DC2337C7631D4386A2DF6E8FB22B300410F46A@hdsmsx401.amr.corp.intel.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2005-07-15 17:02 ` Andi Kleen
2005-07-15 17:23   ` Venkatesh Pallipadi
2005-07-15 17:54     ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2005-07-15 17:58       ` Andi Kleen
2005-07-18 10:47         ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2005-07-15 18:01       ` Venkatesh Pallipadi
2005-07-18 11:17         ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2005-07-15 17:57     ` Andi Kleen
2005-07-15 18:09       ` Venkatesh Pallipadi
2005-07-15 16:33 Brown, Len
2005-07-15 16:54 ` Chris Wedgwood
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-07-14 21:35 Brown, Len
2005-07-15  9:37 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2005-05-16 19:45 christoph
2005-05-16 20:51 ` Lee Revell
2005-05-17  0:55   ` christoph
2005-05-17 23:25     ` Lee Revell
2005-05-17 23:48       ` Nish Aravamudan
2005-05-18  0:03       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-05-18  0:08         ` Lee Revell
2005-05-16 22:09 ` Andrew Morton
2005-05-17  2:38   ` Christoph Lameter
2005-05-17  2:46     ` randy_dunlap
2005-05-17  2:55       ` Christoph Lameter
2005-05-17  3:01         ` randy_dunlap
2005-05-17  3:37         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-05-17  3:40           ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-17 10:51             ` Paulo Marques
2005-05-17 13:19               ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-17  5:31           ` Christoph Lameter
2005-05-17 13:44             ` Joe Korty
2005-05-17 13:58               ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-17 15:43               ` Christoph Lameter
2005-05-18 18:50           ` Pavel Machek
2005-05-18 19:03             ` Lee Revell
2005-05-18 20:41               ` Tony Lindgren
2005-05-18 19:25             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-05-18 20:46               ` Tony Lindgren
2005-05-17  3:01     ` Coywolf Qi Hunt

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