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From: Richard Purdie <rpurdie@rpsys.net>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
Cc: vojtech@suse.cz, lenz@cs.wisc.edu,
	kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Russell King <rmk@arm.linux.org.uk>
Subject: Re: best way to handle LEDs
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 22:05:23 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1130969124.8523.69.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20051102211146.GG23943@elf.ucw.cz>

On Wed, 2005-11-02 at 22:11 +0100, Pavel Machek wrote:
> > > Perhaps I'd keep it simple and leave it at
> > > 
> > > * do hardcoded kernel action for this led
> > > 
> > > or
> > > 
> > > * do whatever userspace tells you.
> > > 
> > > That way you will not be able to remap charger LED onto hard disk
> > > indicator, but we can support that on ibm-acpi too. (Where hw controls
> > > LEDs like "sleep", but lets you control them. You can't remap,
> > > though).
> > 
> > Then the arguments start about which function should be hardcoded to
> > which leds and why can't userspace access these triggers?
> 
> Because there are some machines (IBM thinkpad) where LEDs are either
> driven by userspace, or driven by hardware. I'd like to export that
> functionality using same interface.

A specific limitation of ACPI LEDs shouldn't constrain the interface and
spoil things for everything that can support generic triggers.

> > I'd prefer a totally flexible system and it doesn't really add much
> > complexity once you have a trigger framework which we're going to need
> > to handle mutiple led trigger sources sanely anyway.
> 
> Unfortunately hardware can not do that, at least for IBM
> thinkpad. 

So we need to find a way of providing this functionality, maybe by
allowing leds to provide their own specific triggers. Thinking about
this limitation, I think it can be handled by the trigger
implementation.

> Plus, remapping harddisk indicator on battery led is not
> something I'd like to support :-). 

It wouldn't do that be default but I see no reason to constrain any
interface to stop this. The kernel isn't supposed to set policy (or in
my view put unnecessary constraints on interfaces).

Richard




  reply	other threads:[~2005-11-02 22:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-11-01 23:44 best way to handle LEDs Pavel Machek
2005-11-02  0:39 ` Richard Purdie
2005-11-02  1:03   ` John Lenz
2005-11-02  8:01   ` Chase Venters
2005-11-02 13:56   ` Pavel Machek
2005-11-02 14:38     ` Richard Purdie
2005-11-02 21:11       ` Pavel Machek
2005-11-02 22:05         ` Richard Purdie [this message]
2005-11-02  1:57 ` root
2005-11-02 11:40   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-11-02  2:47 ` Ben Dooks
2005-11-02  9:48   ` Alessandro Zummo
2005-11-02  9:51   ` Pavel Machek
2005-11-03  2:31     ` John Lenz
2005-11-07 23:30       ` Pavel Machek
2005-11-08  0:27         ` John Lenz
2005-11-08  9:28           ` Pavel Machek
2005-11-08 12:07             ` Richard Purdie
2005-11-08 13:14               ` Pavel Machek
2005-11-02 10:18 ` Paul Mundt
2005-11-02 20:26 ` Robert Schwebel
2005-11-02 21:13   ` Pavel Machek
2005-11-02 21:33     ` Robert Schwebel
2005-11-03  2:52       ` John Lenz
2005-11-03  6:21         ` Robert Schwebel
2005-11-03  8:15         ` Russell King
2005-11-03  9:57           ` Pavel Machek
2005-11-03 14:49             ` Russell King
2005-11-03 15:34               ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-11-03 16:01                 ` Russell King
2005-11-03 16:11                   ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-11-03 16:38                   ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-11-03 16:35               ` Pavel Machek
2005-11-04  0:41                 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2005-11-03 14:26           ` Rich Walker
2005-11-03  3:09       ` Rob Landley
2005-11-03  8:37     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-11-03  9:59       ` Pavel Machek

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