From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Lee Revell Subject: Re: 2.6.15-rc6: boot failure in saa7134-alsa.c Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:17:47 -0500 Message-ID: <1135117067.27101.5.camel@mindpipe> References: <20051220131810.GB6789@stusta.de> <20051220155216.GA19797@master.mivlgu.local> <20051220191412.GA4578@stusta.de> <43A86B20.1090104@superbug.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from mustang.oldcity.dca.net (mustang.oldcity.dca.net [216.158.38.3]) by alsa.jcu.cz (ALSA's E-mail Delivery System) with SMTP id 68C561B6 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2005 23:13:56 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: Sender: alsa-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Errors-To: alsa-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: To: Linus Torvalds Cc: James Courtier-Dutton , Adrian Bunk , Sergey Vlasov , Ricardo Cerqueira , mchehab@brturbo.com.br, Linux Kernel Mailing List , video4linux-list@redhat.com, perex@suse.cz, alsa-devel@alsa-project.org List-Id: alsa-devel@alsa-project.org On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 13:03 -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: > Forcing (or even just encouraging) people to use loadable modules is > just horrible. I personally run a kernel with no modules at all: it > makes for a simpler bootup, and in some situations (embedded) it has > both security and size advantages. With modules it's possible to test a new ALSA version without recompiling the kernel or even rebooting. Encouraging people to build it into the kernel would create a problematic barrier to entry for debugging. With the amount of poorly documented hardware we support, it's essential for preventing driver regressions for users to be able to easily test the latest ALSA version. Lee ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932187AbVLTWOF (ORCPT ); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:14:05 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S932189AbVLTWOE (ORCPT ); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:14:04 -0500 Received: from mustang.oldcity.dca.net ([216.158.38.3]:1486 "HELO mustang.oldcity.dca.net") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S932187AbVLTWOC (ORCPT ); Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:14:02 -0500 Subject: Re: [Alsa-devel] 2.6.15-rc6: boot failure in saa7134-alsa.c From: Lee Revell To: Linus Torvalds Cc: James Courtier-Dutton , Adrian Bunk , Sergey Vlasov , Ricardo Cerqueira , mchehab@brturbo.com.br, Linux Kernel Mailing List , video4linux-list@redhat.com, perex@suse.cz, alsa-devel@alsa-project.org In-Reply-To: References: <20051220131810.GB6789@stusta.de> <20051220155216.GA19797@master.mivlgu.local> <20051220191412.GA4578@stusta.de> <43A86B20.1090104@superbug.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2005 17:17:47 -0500 Message-Id: <1135117067.27101.5.camel@mindpipe> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 13:03 -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: > Forcing (or even just encouraging) people to use loadable modules is > just horrible. I personally run a kernel with no modules at all: it > makes for a simpler bootup, and in some situations (embedded) it has > both security and size advantages. With modules it's possible to test a new ALSA version without recompiling the kernel or even rebooting. Encouraging people to build it into the kernel would create a problematic barrier to entry for debugging. With the amount of poorly documented hardware we support, it's essential for preventing driver regressions for users to be able to easily test the latest ALSA version. Lee