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From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: oops pauser.
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:31:10 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1136554270.30498.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060105205221.GN20809@redhat.com>

On Iau, 2006-01-05 at 15:52 -0500, Dave Jones wrote:
> The huge number of oopses never hit the logs.
> They either hit early in boot before syslog is even running, or
> they kill the box.

So you don't need a two minute delay for those because as you said it
froze the box
>  
>  > and continuing generally will hang the box
>  > stopping the scroll keys being used or dmesg being used to get the data
>  > out. 
> 
> This is exactly the problem this patch addresses.
> The 'scroll keys' do not work in cases where we lock up after an oops.

And in those cases the 2 minute freeze is meaningless

> The real-world disagrees with you. In the few weeks it's been in Fedora,
> several previously undiagnosable oopses were caught, and even *users*
> agreed it was a useful addition.   If the two minutes is excessive, we can
> lower it, or even make it a boot-option.

Any change will capture different oopses. A boot option isnt a bad idea,
or for that matter also truncating the call trace to the *top* few (or
as Bryce suggested on irc reversing the printing order)

> Another possibility is instantly continuing after a keypress.

If the input layer is running that would be sensible.

>  > The console has awareness of graphic/text mode at all times and knows
>  > what is going on. Why not use that information if you must go this way ?
> 
> If we've just oopsed, the console may have no awareness of what day it is,
> yet alone anything about video modes. I'm not entirely sure what you're
> suggesting, but it gives me the creeps. Are you talking about switching
> away from X back to a tty when we oops?

Well you could try and do that but I was more thinking that if the
console has been told we are in graphics mode then the 2 minute delay
shouldn't occur.

Alan


  reply	other threads:[~2006-01-06 13:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-01-05  4:52 oops pauser Dave Jones
2006-01-05  6:10 ` oops pauser. / boot_delayer Randy.Dunlap
2006-01-05  7:30   ` Bernd Eckenfels
2006-01-05  8:07     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-06  1:28       ` David Lang
2006-01-06  5:36         ` Dave Jones
2006-01-06  7:00           ` David Lang
2006-01-08 13:21           ` Pavel Machek
2006-01-08 19:30             ` Josef Sipek
2006-01-08 23:08               ` Pavel Machek
2006-01-08 23:39                 ` Josef Sipek
2006-01-06  7:36         ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-06  8:33           ` David Lang
2006-01-05  9:25     ` Grant Coady
2006-01-05 15:31       ` Mark Lord
2006-01-05 15:38         ` Avishay Traeger
2006-01-05 19:15           ` Mark Lord
2006-01-05 11:11     ` Dave Jones
2006-01-07 21:44       ` Kurtis D. Rader
2006-01-07 21:48         ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-07 22:00           ` Kurtis D. Rader
2006-01-08 23:29           ` David Lang
2006-01-07 22:27         ` Bernd Eckenfels
2006-01-05  8:15 ` oops pauser Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-05 10:33   ` Dave Jones
2006-01-05 11:05     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-05 12:05       ` Keith Owens
2006-01-05 15:17       ` Jesper Juhl
2006-01-05 13:46     ` Kurt Wall
2006-01-06  1:24     ` David Lang
2006-01-06  1:41       ` Josef Sipek
2006-01-08 13:38     ` Ville Herva
2006-01-08 13:53       ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-01-08 19:35         ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-09  1:43           ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-01-08 19:40         ` Grant Coady
2006-01-09  1:45           ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-01-09 16:15             ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-09 16:25               ` Ville Herva
2006-01-09 16:39               ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-01-05 13:37 ` Alan Cox
2006-01-05 20:52   ` Dave Jones
2006-01-06 13:31     ` Alan Cox [this message]
2006-01-06 20:33       ` Dave Jones
2006-01-06 15:22     ` Pavel Machek
2006-01-06 19:06       ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-06 22:34         ` Pavel Machek
2006-01-06 22:48       ` Dave Jones
2006-01-05 13:58 ` Avishay Traeger
2006-01-05 20:54   ` Dave Jones
2006-01-06  0:19   ` Josef Sipek
2006-01-06  1:12     ` Bernd Eckenfels
2006-01-06  1:35       ` Josef Sipek
2006-01-06  2:21         ` Bernd Eckenfels
2006-01-05 14:39 ` Kyle McMartin
2006-01-09 18:43 ` Console debugging wishlist was: " Andi Kleen
2006-01-10 20:25   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-10 20:29     ` Josef Sipek
2006-01-10 20:44       ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-10 22:54         ` Josef Sipek
2006-01-10 20:46       ` Andi Kleen
2006-01-10 20:45     ` Andi Kleen
2006-01-10 21:06       ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-10 21:18         ` Andi Kleen
2006-01-10 21:30           ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-11 12:24     ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-01-11 12:31       ` Andi Kleen
2006-01-11 13:05         ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-01-11 13:17           ` Andi Kleen
2006-01-11 13:43             ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-01-11 13:51               ` Andi Kleen
2006-01-11 18:34           ` Jan Engelhardt
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     [not found]   ` <5rAHn-5kc-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
2006-01-06  5:52     ` Robert Hancock
2006-01-06  7:06       ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-06  7:47         ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-01-06  8:58         ` Dave Jones

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