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From: Dave McCracken <dmc@austin.ibm.com>
To: linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: suspend processes at load (was Re: a simple OOM ...)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:34:59 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <11530000.987705299@baldur> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0104182315010.20939-100000@fs131-224.f-secure.com>

--On Wednesday, April 18, 2001 23:32:25 +0200 Szabolcs Szakacsits 
<szaka@f-secure.com> wrote:

> Sorry, your comment isn't convincing enough ;) Why do you think
> "arbitrarily" (decided exclusively by the kernel itself) suspending
> processes (that can be done in user space anyway) would help?
>
> Even if you block new process creation and memory allocations (that's
> also not nice since it can be done by resource limits) why you think
> situation will ever get better i.e. processes release memory?
>
> How you want to avoid "deadlocks" when running processes have
> dependencies on suspended processes?

I think there's a semantic misunderstanding here.  If I understand Rik's 
proposal right, he's not talking about completely suspending a process ala 
SIGSTOP.  He's talking about removing it from the run queue for some small 
length of time (ie a few seconds, probably) during which all the other 
processes can make progress.  This kind of suspension won't be noticeable 
to users/administrators or permanently block dependent processes.  In fact, 
it should make the system appear more responsive than one in a thrashing 
state.

Dave McCracken

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Dave McCracken          IBM Linux Base Kernel Team      1-512-838-3059
dmc@austin.ibm.com                                      T/L   678-3059

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-04-19 18:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-04-12 16:58 [PATCH] a simple OOM killer to save me from Netscape Slats Grobnik
2001-04-12 18:25 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-12 18:49   ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-13  6:45   ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-04-13 16:20     ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-14  1:20       ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-04-16 21:06         ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-16 21:40           ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-16 22:12             ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-16 22:21             ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-17 14:26               ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-17 19:53                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-17 20:44                   ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-17 20:59                     ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-17 21:09                       ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-14  7:00       ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-04-15  5:05         ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-15  5:20           ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-16 11:52         ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-16 12:17       ` suspend processes at load (was Re: a simple OOM ...) Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-17 19:48         ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-18 21:32           ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-18 20:38             ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-18 23:25               ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-18 22:29                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-19 10:14                   ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-04-19 13:23                   ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-19  2:11                 ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-19  7:08                   ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-19 13:37                     ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-19 12:26                       ` Christoph Rohland
2001-04-19 12:30                       ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-19  9:15                 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-19 18:34             ` Dave McCracken [this message]
2001-04-19 18:47               ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-19 18:53                 ` Dave McCracken
2001-04-19 19:10                   ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-20 14:58                     ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-21  6:10                       ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-19 19:13                   ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-19 19:47                     ` Gerrit Huizenga
2001-04-20 12:44                       ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-19 20:06                     ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-20 12:29                     ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-20 11:50                       ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-20 13:32                         ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-20 14:30                           ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-22 10:21                       ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-20 12:25                 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-21  6:08                   ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-20 12:18               ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-22 10:19                 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-17 10:58 ` limit for number of processes Uman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-04-19 14:03 suspend processes at load (was Re: a simple OOM ...) Jonathan Morton
2001-04-19 18:25 ` Dave McCracken
2001-04-19 18:32   ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-19 20:23     ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-20 12:14     ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-04-20 12:02       ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-20 14:48       ` Dave McCracken
2001-04-21  5:49       ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-21 19:16         ` Joseph A. Knapka
2001-04-21 19:41           ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-22 10:08             ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-22 16:53               ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-22 17:06                 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-22 18:18                   ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-22 18:57                     ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-22 19:41                       ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-22 20:33                         ` Jean Francois Martinez
2001-04-22 20:21                       ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-22 20:36                         ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-22 19:01                     ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-22 19:11                       ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-22 20:36                         ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-22 19:30                       ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-22 20:35                         ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-22 20:41                           ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-22 20:58                             ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-22 21:26                               ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-22 22:26                                 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-04-23  5:55                                   ` James A. Sutherland
2001-04-23  5:59                                     ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-21 20:29           ` Rik van Riel
2001-04-22 10:08           ` James A. Sutherland

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