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From: David Safford <safford@watson.ibm.com>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Serge E Hallyn <sergeh@us.ibm.com>,
	kjhall@us.ibm.com, Benjamin LaHaise <bcrl@kvack.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	LSM ML <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
	David Safford <safford@us.ibm.com>, Mimi Zohar <zohar@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/7] SLIM main patch
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:34:09 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1156440849.2476.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1156439113.3007.170.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 18:05 +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> It is a matter of the timing and the device. You need to do revocation
> at the device level because your security state change must occur after
> the devices have all been dealt with. This is why I said you need the
> core of revoke() to do this.

In a typical system, most applications are started at the correct level,
and we don't have to demote/promote them. In those cases where demotion
or promotion are needed, only a small number actually already have
access that needs to be revoked. Of those, most involve shmem, which
I believe we are revoking safely, as we don't have the same problems
with drivers and incomplete I/O. In the remaining cases, where we really
can't revoke safely, we could simply not allow the requested access, and
not demote/promote the process.

I think this would give us a useful balance of allowing "safe" demotion
or promotions, while not requiring general revocation. Does this sound
like a reasonable approach?

dave


  reply	other threads:[~2006-08-24 17:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-08-23 19:05 [PATCH 3/7] SLIM main patch Kylene Jo Hall
2006-08-23 19:27 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2006-08-23 20:35   ` Kylene Jo Hall
2006-08-23 20:41     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2006-08-23 22:20       ` Kylene Jo Hall
2006-08-24  8:31         ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-08-24 11:26     ` Alan Cox
2006-08-24 13:32       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-08-24 13:37         ` Benjamin LaHaise
2006-08-24 13:58           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-08-24 14:00             ` Benjamin LaHaise
2006-08-24 14:16               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-08-24 14:15         ` Alan Cox
2006-08-24 15:23           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-08-24 17:05             ` Alan Cox
2006-08-24 17:34               ` David Safford [this message]
2006-08-24 19:16                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-08-24 20:21                   ` David Safford
2006-08-24 20:41           ` Mimi Zohar
2006-08-24 22:13             ` Alan Cox
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-09-12 17:57 Kylene Jo Hall
2006-09-14 23:52 ` Andrew Morton
2006-09-15 16:57   ` Kylene Jo Hall
2006-09-26 18:44 ` Stephen Smalley
2006-10-19 20:48   ` Kylene Jo Hall
2006-10-20 15:32     ` Stephen Smalley
2006-10-20 17:58     ` Stephen Smalley

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