From: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
To: Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
arjan <arjan@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: mutex ownership (was: Re: [PATCH 19/24] Unionfs: Helper macros/inlines)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 11:10:36 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1169827836.26770.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200701091009.30063.oliver@neukum.org>
On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 10:09 +0100, Oliver Neukum wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 9. Januar 2007 10:02 schrieb Peter Zijlstra:
> > Its a fundamental property of a mutex, not a shortcoming. A mutex has an
> > owner, the one that takes and releases the resource. This allows things
> > such as Priority Inheritance to boost owners.
> >
> > 'fixing' this takes away much of what a mutex is.
> >
> > That said, it seems some folks really want this to happen, weird as it
> > may be. I'm not sure if all these cases are because of wrong designs. A
> > possible extension to the mutex interface might be something like this:
> >
> > mutex_pass_owner(struct task_struct *task);
> >
> > which would be an atomic unlock/lock pair where the current task
> > releases the resource and the indicated task gains it. However it must
> > be understood that from the POV of 'current' this should be treated as
> > an unlock action.
>
> This won't help if I want to release from an interrupt handler or tasklet.
Then that shouldn't use a mutex. A mutex is for "mutual exclusion", and
not "shared exclusion". Peter is right that the fundamental property of
a mutex, is that it is for a single thread. And it should never be
released by a separate thread than the one that grabbed it.
A semaphore can be used as a mutex, but not the other way around.
I wouldn't even recommend doing the mutex_pass_owner(). To do so, the
process calling this must be the owner, and the parameter must be a
thread waiting on the mutex. If it is not, then that could introduce
some really nasty races and bugs.
The mutex_unlock_dont_warn_if_a_different_task_did_it() is also a bad
idea.
-- Steve
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-01-26 16:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-01-08 4:12 [PATCH 00/24] Unionfs, try #4 Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 4:12 ` [PATCH 01/24] Unionfs: Documentation Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 19:18 ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08 19:43 ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08 20:24 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-08 21:32 ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08 21:19 ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08 21:30 ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08 22:02 ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08 22:21 ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08 23:34 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-08 23:37 ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09 0:03 ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-09 9:53 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-09 10:43 ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09 10:47 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-09 10:48 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-09 17:28 ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-09 18:03 ` Raz Ben-Jehuda(caro)
2007-01-09 18:24 ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-08 23:25 ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09 9:49 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-09 10:36 ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-08 20:51 ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-08 21:53 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-08 23:00 ` Michael Halcrow
2007-01-08 23:45 ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09 0:19 ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2007-01-09 0:19 ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2007-01-09 0:33 ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09 1:26 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-09 1:50 ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-09 12:26 ` Jan Kara
2007-01-09 16:39 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-01-09 17:04 ` Jan Kara
2007-01-09 17:07 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-01-09 17:34 ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-10 16:12 ` Jan Kara
2007-01-10 20:15 ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-10 20:24 ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-10 21:27 ` Jan Kara
2007-01-10 23:20 ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-10 23:29 ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-11 8:54 ` Jan Kara
2007-01-08 23:15 ` Josef Sipek
2007-01-09 12:15 ` Jan Kara
2007-01-09 16:30 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-01-09 16:41 ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-09 17:03 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-01-09 17:11 ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-09 17:16 ` Erez Zadok
2007-01-09 17:16 ` Jan Kara
2007-01-09 22:02 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-11 14:29 ` unionfs unusable on multiuser systems (was Re: [PATCH 01/24] Unionfs: Documentation) Pavel Machek
2007-01-12 14:17 ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08 4:12 ` [PATCH 02/24] lookup_one_len_nd - lookup_one_len with nameidata argument Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 4:12 ` [PATCH 03/24] Unionfs: Branch management functionality Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 4:12 ` [PATCH 04/24] Unionfs: Common file operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:28 ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08 4:12 ` [PATCH 05/24] Unionfs: Copyup Functionality Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:29 ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08 22:00 ` Shaya Potter
2007-01-08 4:12 ` [PATCH 06/24] Unionfs: Dentry operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:29 ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08 4:12 ` [PATCH 07/24] Unionfs: File operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 4:13 ` [PATCH 08/24] Unionfs: Directory file operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 4:13 ` [PATCH 09/24] Unionfs: Directory manipulation helper functions Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 4:13 ` [PATCH 10/24] Unionfs: Inode operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 4:13 ` [PATCH 11/24] Unionfs: Lookup helper functions Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 4:13 ` [PATCH 12/24] Unionfs: Main module functions Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 4:13 ` [PATCH 13/24] Unionfs: Readdir state Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 4:13 ` [PATCH 14/24] Unionfs: Rename Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 4:13 ` [PATCH 15/24] Unionfs: Privileged operations workqueue Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:27 ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08 4:13 ` [PATCH 16/24] Unionfs: Handling of stale inodes Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 4:13 ` [PATCH 17/24] Unionfs: Miscellaneous helper functions Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 4:13 ` [PATCH 18/24] Unionfs: Superblock operations Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:29 ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-08 4:13 ` [PATCH 19/24] Unionfs: Helper macros/inlines Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 21:28 ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-09 9:02 ` mutex ownership (was: Re: [PATCH 19/24] Unionfs: Helper macros/inlines) Peter Zijlstra
2007-01-09 9:09 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-01-26 16:10 ` Steven Rostedt [this message]
2007-01-08 4:13 ` [PATCH 20/24] Unionfs: Internal include file Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 4:13 ` [PATCH 21/24] Unionfs: Include file Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 4:13 ` [PATCH 22/24] Unionfs: Unlink Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 4:13 ` [PATCH 23/24] Unionfs: Kconfig and Makefile Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
2007-01-08 4:13 ` [PATCH 24/24] Unionfs: Extended Attributes support Josef 'Jeff' Sipek
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=1169827836.26770.20.camel@localhost.localdomain \
--to=rostedt@goodmis.org \
--cc=a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl \
--cc=akpm@osdl.org \
--cc=arjan@infradead.org \
--cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=mingo@elte.hu \
--cc=oliver@neukum.org \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.