From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1HJEw4-0003oC-HA for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:16:32 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HJEw2-0003mY-Hw for grub-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:16:30 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HJEvz-0003lY-RH for grub-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:16:30 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HJEvz-0003lV-Lq for grub-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:16:27 -0500 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.244]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1HJEvz-0005HD-9R for grub-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:16:27 -0500 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so216026ana for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:16:26 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=nTIJNNbQABJ1PTA9xD71JSbSSs52YxbyxyotU9LYIh0aG9+UMj5wIQiXyFlzqJGmelx9XZaqGgzwxuahpK2wb2WB2V1+u04LRiQRpG5d5VuXcZUtH5YiY0r+BdORvNcK+X0QCTCu1AERS/O9amQ8GDUDJVRZJT78shse9gRodh4= Received: by 10.114.75.1 with SMTP id x1mr3060511waa.1171916185367; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:16:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.115.88.6 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:16:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:16:25 -0500 From: "Jason Morganson" To: grub-devel@gnu.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_43974_24577897.1171916185135" X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Subject: Fancy menu requirements X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GRUB 2 List-Id: The development of GRUB 2 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:16:30 -0000 ------=_Part_43974_24577897.1171916185135 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello, >From what I have read about the menu on the list and on the wiki there has been some discussion on it but no set requirements for it yet. I added a page to the wiki to help collate the discussion, right now it just has the two messages from Yoshinori K. Okuji: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/grub-devel/2006-04/msg00056.html http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/grub-devel/2006-05/msg00008.html I am planning on taking the discussions on the menu and trying to form a loose description of what the desired design should end up like. Because of how important this feature will be to GRUB I wanted to put this up where everyone can change and comment on it. It would be helpful to brainstorm a little on this first so just throw any ideas on the page or on this thread. Regards, Jason ------=_Part_43974_24577897.1171916185135 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello,

From what I have read about the menu on the list and on the wiki there has been some discussion on it but no set requirements for it yet. I added a page to the wiki to help collate the discussion, right now it just has the two messages from Yoshinori K. Okuji:

http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/grub-devel/2006-04/msg00056.html
 http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/grub-devel/2006-05/msg00008.html

I am planning on taking the discussions on the menu and trying to form a loose description of what the desired design should end up like. Because of how important this feature will be to GRUB I wanted to put this up where everyone can change and comment on it. It would be helpful to brainstorm a little on this first so just throw any ideas on the page or on this thread.

Regards,
Jason
------=_Part_43974_24577897.1171916185135-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1HKfVr-0006N0-4q for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:51:23 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HKfVq-0006Ms-A4 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:51:22 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HKfVn-0006Mg-Sz for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:51:20 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HKfVn-0006Md-Na for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:51:19 -0500 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.234]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1HKfVn-0007tt-BL for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:51:19 -0500 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s17so580050wxc for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:51:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:in-reply-to:importance:x-mimeole; b=sGxUif8aKJrfR1YlaZK7qR4cXj6GJq2EnVSp4FGEdh2Z0vNRV9pu7o8rYwPZjdejUc9qAaf05fUUIKh3wLti2Ad9e8QT9w1pwlNOTnYX0ASBxE/FMEUKrsQdw0ZhW3bb8BH5PwB3rBmQXkv6JUY3TbFXo/nPMj5aXfH+KKH4BXo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:in-reply-to:importance:x-mimeole; b=rh/dXLOHrJbeV2jaXkt6ET7qmF5w9SNIrTiSWurbbVJjyKxWfroh7itJqscUZlKQp71yL5dpnzNjMqIIAa8Qs31HO2UWsgdGCHHwTF3aP+qa9v8PsoZwUN2eGVCYivzhOKKiViRk7hdqPZxaAT82yBLHYVzS86uo8NcidSwQ96I= Received: by 10.70.40.1 with SMTP id n1mr4036117wxn.1172256677777; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:51:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from asinusaureus ( [83.45.232.48]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id h36sm3827529wxd.2007.02.23.10.51.15; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:51:16 -0800 (PST) From: "Ernest Sales" To: Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:51:14 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c7577b$99c99f70$2101a8c0@asinusaureus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <45db2a0f.383ee22a.682f.5298SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 (Google crawlbot) Subject: RE: Fancy menu requirements X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GRUB 2 List-Id: The development of GRUB 2 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:51:22 -0000 On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:16:25 -0500, "Jason Morganson" = wrote: > Because of how important this feature will be to GRUB I wanted to put = this up where everyone can change and comment on it. Do you really think a boot manager needs graphics and soft fonts? I find text menus smart enough for this, the beauty of simplicity if you like. On the other hand, what I would ask for is self-containment (code in = first disc sector, or else in its own partition) and autodetect-and-config as = a start point to further customization. I took a glance at GRUB's site, I = am loosely following this list for a while, and can't yet figure if GRUB supports these features. Maybe we can't see the forest for the trees? Regards, Ernest From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1HLiI1-0005kf-8f for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:01:25 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HLiHz-0005k0-D5 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:01:23 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HLiHx-0005jf-Lp for grub-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:01:22 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HLiHx-0005jc-GV for grub-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:01:21 -0500 Received: from e3.ny.us.ibm.com ([32.97.182.143]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1HLiHx-0000be-23 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:01:21 -0500 Received: from d01relay02.pok.ibm.com (d01relay02.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.234]) by e3.ny.us.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1QG1HQJ006858 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:01:17 -0500 Received: from d01av04.pok.ibm.com (d01av04.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.64]) by d01relay02.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v8.2) with ESMTP id l1QG1H9f276034 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:01:17 -0500 Received: from d01av04.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av04.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id l1QG1Gta030693 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:01:16 -0500 Received: from [9.53.41.42] (basalt.austin.ibm.com [9.53.41.42]) by d01av04.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l1QG1GRu030668 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:01:16 -0500 From: Hollis Blanchard To: The development of GRUB 2 In-Reply-To: <000401c7577b$99c99f70$2101a8c0@asinusaureus> References: <000401c7577b$99c99f70$2101a8c0@asinusaureus> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 10:00:15 -0600 Message-Id: <1172505615.910.2.camel@basalt> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 Subject: RE: Fancy menu requirements X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GRUB 2 List-Id: The development of GRUB 2 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:01:23 -0000 On Fri, 2007-02-23 at 19:51 +0100, Ernest Sales wrote: > > On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:16:25 -0500, "Jason Morganson" > wrote: > > > Because of how important this feature will be to GRUB I wanted to put this > up where everyone can change and comment on it. > > Do you really think a boot manager needs graphics and soft fonts? The Linux distributions believe this. > I find text menus smart enough for this, the beauty of simplicity if you > like. > > On the other hand, what I would ask for is self-containment (code in first > disc sector, or else in its own partition) and autodetect-and-config as a > start point to further customization. I took a glance at GRUB's site, I am > loosely following this list for a while, and can't yet figure if GRUB > supports these features. Yes, it does. -Hollis