From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from [81.169.178.128] (helo=h6563.serverkompetenz.net) by linuxtogo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HMvkJ-0006oS-Aa for openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 01:35:39 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by h6563.serverkompetenz.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2910B30820A for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 01:35:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from h6563.serverkompetenz.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (h6563 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27817-01 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 01:35:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from mhcln04.hentges.priv (xdsl-81-173-227-4.netcologne.de [81.173.227.4]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by h6563.serverkompetenz.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E02743081E6 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 01:34:55 +0100 (CET) From: Matthias Hentges To: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org In-Reply-To: <45E6FDF8.2040103@dominion.kabel.utwente.nl> References: <1439152940.20070301165525@vanille-media.de> <45E6FDF8.2040103@dominion.kabel.utwente.nl> Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 01:33:35 +0100 Message-Id: <1172795615.11398.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.3 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at hentges.net Subject: Re: [oe-commits] org.oe.dev rootfs_ipk: as per OE policy: remove feed management tools X-BeenThere: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org List-Id: Using the OpenEmbedded metadata to build Distributions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 00:35:39 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Am Donnerstag, den 01.03.2007, 17:23 +0100 schrieb Koen Kooi: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Michael 'Mickey' Lauer schreef: > > koen commit wrote: > >> rootfs_ipk: as per OE policy: remove feed management tools > > > > Guys, please don't play games. Since it is a handy feature indeed, > > can we perhaps agree on making this a seperate bbclass to keep both of > > you satisfied? > > All feed management was removed a long time ago from OE because Bullshit. Explain meta/package-index.bb (I know you can't as you ignored my previous email due to lack of arguments) > a) it's out of scope So you alone define the "scope" of OpenEmbedded and it's usage? Interesting indeed! I guess I didn't get the memo about that! > b) can't be done right in an automated fashion Bullshit again. Because _you_ can't do this doesn't mean anybody else ever had any problems with it. It was working fine for _years_. > And after discovering some bugs in ipkg-utils a while ago it seems you have to manually > munge the Packages file to get something that ipkg will handle correctly when upgrading stuff. Bullshit part three. I was managing a distribution which aimed to make any updates available via "ipkg upgrade". Ignoring corner-cases like kernel upgrades it worked as expected. Always. I never _ever_ had to edit Packages. Sounds like you FUBAR'ed some packages and then blame the fault on ipkg. There are problems with corner-cases on ipkg-upgrade but I prefer solving them to sticking my head into the ground. > So whichever way you look at it it's going to add broken behaviour to OE. I don't want to > explain to users why their 'feeds' don't work because they disabled common sense because > 'OE generated it'. It isn't broken, never was. And people compiling their images w/ OE from scratch can be expected to handle their own feeds. We are talking developers here, not mouse-pushing windows-hugging endusers! > But but but but but... OE generates feeds now as well!! Right, deploy/ipk contains > subdirectories people could abuse as feeds if they want, but I wouldn't recommend it. No one even asked you about your opinion! You blindly removed a very useful feature of OE for _bullshit_ reasons after a _bullshit_ RFC that noone even had a chance to reply to in time. You even reverted (!) my compromise cset which added a completely optional an OFF BY DEFAULT oe-feed quoting a _bullshit_ policy that is no where to be found! > So *if* people *need* OE to generate feeds, there you have them. However, I strongly > oppose adding know broken behaviour to satisfy lazy people. Oh I'm lazy all right. I don't see the point that 90% of all OE users suddenly are forced to use custom feed-creation scripts (pointless post-processing). > regards, > > Koen > > PS: find */ -name "*.ipk" -exec mv '{}' ./ \; > Needless post-processing that is only required due to your selfish and ignorant commit to rootfs_ipk and complete and utter disregard of other peoples interest.