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From: jamal <hadi@cyberus.ca>
To: Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>
Cc: johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru, peter.p.waskiewicz.jr@intel.com,
	jeff@garzik.org, gaagaan@gmail.com, Robert.Olsson@data.slu.se,
	kumarkr@linux.ibm.com, rdreier@cisco.com, mcarlson@broadcom.com,
	kaber@trash.net, jagana@us.ibm.com,
	general@lists.openfabrics.org, mchan@broadcom.com, tgraf@suug.ch,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, shemminger@linux-foundation.org,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	sri@us.ibm.com
Subject: [ofa-general] Re: [PATCH 0/9 Rev3] Implement batching skb API and support in IPoIB
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 11:14:35 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1186586075.5155.27.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070808134247.GA9942@gondor.apana.org.au>

On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 21:42 +0800, Herbert Xu wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 03:49:00AM -0700, David Miller wrote:
> > 
> > Not because I think it obviates your work, but rather because I'm
> > curious, could you test a TSO-in-hardware driver converted to
> > batching and see how TSO alone compares to batching for a pure
> > TCP workload?
> 
> You could even lower the bar by disabling TSO and enabling
> software GSO.

>From my observation for TCP packets slightly above MDU (upto 2K), GSO
gives worse performance than non-GSO throughput-wise. Actually this has
nothing to do with batching, rather the behavior is consistent with or
without batching changes. 

> > I personally don't think it will help for that case at all as
> > TSO likely does better job of coalescing the work _and_ reducing
> > bus traffic as well as work in the TCP stack.
> 
> I agree.
> I suspect the bulk of the effort is in getting
> these skb's created and processed by the stack so that by
> the time that they're exiting the qdisc there's not much
> to be saved anymore.

pktgen shows a clear win if you test the driver path - which is what you
should test because thats where the batching changes are. 
Using TCP or UDP adds other variables[1] that need to be isolated first
in order to quantify the effect of batching. 
For throughput and CPU utilization, the benefit will be clear when there
are a lot more flows. 

cheers,
jamal

[1] I think there are too many other variables in play unfortunately
when you are dealing with a path that starts above the driver and one
that covers end to end effect:  traffic/app source, system clock sources
as per my recent discovery, congestion control algorithms used, tuning
of recevier etc.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-08-08 15:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-08  9:31 [ofa-general] [PATCH 0/9 Rev3] Implement batching skb API and support in IPoIB Krishna Kumar
2007-08-08  9:31 ` [PATCH 1/9 Rev3] [Doc] HOWTO Documentation for batching Krishna Kumar
2007-08-08  9:31 ` [PATCH 2/9 Rev3] [core] Add skb_blist & hard_start_xmit_batch Krishna Kumar
2007-08-08 10:59   ` [ofa-general] " Stephen Hemminger
2007-08-08 11:24     ` Krishna Kumar2
2007-08-08 12:01   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-09  3:09     ` Krishna Kumar2
2007-08-08  9:31 ` [PATCH 3/9 Rev3] [sched] Modify qdisc_run to support batching Krishna Kumar
2007-08-08 12:14   ` [ofa-general] " Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-08-09  3:13     ` Krishna Kumar2
2007-08-08 14:05   ` Patrick McHardy
2007-08-08 15:26     ` [ofa-general] " jamal
2007-08-09  4:06     ` Krishna Kumar2
2007-08-08  9:31 ` [PATCH 4/9 Rev3] [ethtool] Add ethtool support Krishna Kumar
2007-08-08  9:32 ` [ofa-general] [PATCH 5/9 Rev3] [IPoIB] Header file changes Krishna Kumar
2007-08-08  9:32 ` [ofa-general] [PATCH 6/9 Rev3] [IPoIB] CM & Multicast changes Krishna Kumar
2007-08-08  9:32 ` [ofa-general] [PATCH 7/9 Rev3] [IPoIB] Verb changes Krishna Kumar
2007-08-08  9:32 ` [PATCH 8/9 Rev3] [IPoIB] Post and work completion handler changes Krishna Kumar
2007-08-08  9:32 ` [PATCH 9/9 Rev3] [IPoIB] Implement the new batching API Krishna Kumar
2007-08-08 10:49 ` [ofa-general] Re: [PATCH 0/9 Rev3] Implement batching skb API and support in IPoIB David Miller
2007-08-08 11:09   ` Krishna Kumar2
2007-08-08 22:01     ` [ofa-general] " David Miller
2007-08-09  4:19       ` Krishna Kumar2
2007-08-09  4:27         ` David Miller
2007-08-09  6:26           ` Krishna Kumar2
2007-08-08 13:42   ` [ofa-general] " Herbert Xu
2007-08-08 15:14     ` jamal [this message]
2007-08-08 20:55       ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-08-08 22:40         ` jamal
2007-08-08 22:22       ` David Miller
2007-08-08 22:53         ` jamal
2007-08-09  0:06     ` Shirley Ma
2007-08-09  3:19     ` [ofa-general] " Krishna Kumar2
2007-08-14  9:02   ` Krishna Kumar2
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-08-17  6:06 Krishna Kumar2
2007-08-21  7:18 ` David Miller
2007-08-21 12:30   ` [ofa-general] " jamal
2007-08-21 18:51     ` David Miller
2007-08-21 21:09       ` jamal
2007-08-22  4:11       ` Krishna Kumar2
2007-08-22  4:22         ` David Miller
2007-08-22 17:09           ` Rick Jones
2007-08-22 20:21             ` David Miller
2007-08-23 22:04               ` [ofa-general] " jamal
2007-08-23 22:25                 ` jamal
2007-08-23 22:35                   ` [ofa-general] " Rick Jones
2007-08-23 22:41                     ` jamal
2007-08-24  3:18                     ` Bill Fink
2007-08-24 12:14                       ` jamal
2007-08-24 18:08                         ` Bill Fink
2007-08-24 21:25                         ` David Miller
2007-08-24 18:46                       ` Rick Jones
2007-08-25  0:42                       ` John Heffner
2007-08-26  8:41                         ` [ofa-general] " Bill Fink
2007-08-27  1:32                           ` John Heffner
2007-08-27  2:04                             ` David Miller
2007-08-27 23:23                               ` jamal
2007-09-14  7:20                                 ` [ofa-general] " Bill Fink
2007-08-23 22:30                 ` David Miller
2007-08-23 22:38                   ` [ofa-general] " jamal
2007-08-24  3:34                     ` Stephen Hemminger

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