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From: Nicholas Miell <nmiell@comcast.net>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Cc: "Eric Dumazet" <dada1@cosmosbay.com>,
	"linux-os (Dick Johnson)" <linux-os@analogic.com>,
	"Daniel Spång" <daniel.spang@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Out of memory management in embedded systems
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:00:39 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1191020439.2702.3.camel@entropy> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070928111546.0c290e57@bree.surriel.com>

On Fri, 2007-09-28 at 11:15 -0400, Rik van Riel wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:36:34 +0200
> Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:17:11 -0400
> > Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:04:23 -0400
> > > "linux-os \(Dick Johnson\)" <linux-os@analogic.com> wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 28 Sep 2007, [iso-8859-1] Daniel Spång wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > On 9/28/07, linux-os (Dick Johnson) <linux-os@analogic.com> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007, [iso-8859-1] Daniel Spång wrote:
> > > 
> > > > >>> Some kind of notification to the application that the available memory
> > > > >>> is scarce and let the application free up some memory (e.g., by
> > > > >>> flushing caches), could be used to improve the situation 
> > > 
> > > > Any networked appliance can (will) throw data away if there are
> > > > no resources available.
> > > 
> > > That is exactly what Daniel proposed in his first email.
> > > 
> > > I think his idea makes sense.
> > 
> > IBM AIX uses SIGDANGER, that kernel can raise in OOM conditions to warn
> > processes that are willing to handle this signal (default action for the
> >  SIGDANGER signal is to ignore the signal)
> 
> I suspect that SIGDANGER is not the right approach, because glibc
> memory arenas cannot be manipulated from inside a signal handler.
> 
> Also, "nearly OOM" is not the only such signal we would want to
> send to userspace programs. It would also be useful to inform
> userspace programs when we are about to start swapping something
> out, so userspace can discard cached data instead of having to
> wait for disk IO in the future.
> 
> A unix signal cannot encapsulate two different messages, while
> something like a "/dev/lowmem" device can simply be added into
> the program's main poll() loop and give many different messages.

SIGDANGER could stick useful information in siginfo_t's si_code field
and be delivered via a signalfd.

-- 
Nicholas Miell <nmiell@comcast.net>


  reply	other threads:[~2007-09-28 23:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-09-28 12:55 Out of memory management in embedded systems Daniel Spång
2007-09-28 13:09 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-09-28 13:30   ` Daniel Spång
2007-09-28 14:04     ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-09-28 14:14       ` Daniel Spång
2007-09-28 15:16         ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-09-28 20:58           ` Daniel Spång
2007-09-29 19:48             ` Abhishek Sagar
2007-09-28 14:17       ` Rik van Riel
2007-09-28 14:36         ` Eric Dumazet
2007-09-28 15:15           ` Rik van Riel
2007-09-28 23:00             ` Nicholas Miell [this message]
2007-09-29  1:59 ` Daniel Phillips
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     [not found] ` <98nVg-6QQ-21@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <98oeB-7gA-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <98oHC-8ai-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <98oRk-8mt-21@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <98pNu-1pp-17@gated-at.bofh.it>
2007-09-29  9:15           ` Bodo Eggert
     [not found]           ` <98v6u-1h1-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]             ` <98Qu9-170-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
2007-10-01  7:58               ` Markku Savela
2007-10-01  8:13                 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2007-10-01 16:27                   ` david
2007-10-01 20:25                     ` Robin Getz

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