From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754844AbYE1WTB (ORCPT ); Wed, 28 May 2008 18:19:01 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1753322AbYE1WSv (ORCPT ); Wed, 28 May 2008 18:18:51 -0400 Received: from bombadil.infradead.org ([18.85.46.34]:45929 "EHLO bombadil.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753220AbYE1WSv (ORCPT ); Wed, 28 May 2008 18:18:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project From: David Woodhouse To: James Bottomley Cc: Pekka Enberg , ksummit-2008-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel In-Reply-To: <1212010931.3445.103.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1211995212.3445.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1212007760.2236.17.camel@shinybook.infradead.org> <1212008517.3445.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> <84144f020805281431y1aac903am442b333a2a13cd15@mail.gmail.com> <1212010931.3445.103.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 01:18:45 +0300 Message-Id: <1212013125.2236.58.camel@shinybook.infradead.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.1 (2.22.1-2.fc9) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SRS-Rewrite: SMTP reverse-path rewritten from by bombadil.infradead.org See http://www.infradead.org/rpr.html Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 16:42 -0500, James Bottomley wrote: > Appeals to be politer tend to only work in the short term (having given > quite a few of them). I think we're developing a root cause problem in > the way we recruit people to work in the kernel and we have to think > about fixing it there. Do we really have a problem recruiting people to work in the kernel? On what do you base that observation? On a similar note, do we have any real data on the question of whether those who are volunteering the patches which raise so much ire would _ever_ become productive members of the team, even if we were to nurture them properly? -- dwmw2