From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1K8iBa-0006yy-Qg for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:53:50 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K8iBZ-0006yd-GQ for grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:53:49 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K8iBX-0006y5-VH for grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:53:49 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=51071 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K8iBX-0006xx-Ou for grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:53:47 -0400 Received: from c60.cesmail.net ([216.154.195.49]:11336) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K8iBX-0002Ew-21 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:53:47 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO relay.cesmail.net) ([192.168.1.81]) by c60.cesmail.net with ESMTP; 17 Jun 2008 16:53:46 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.21] (static-72-92-88-10.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [72.92.88.10]) by relay.cesmail.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3FE3619058 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:53:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Pavel Roskin To: The development of GRUB 2 In-Reply-To: <20080617203710.GA31785@thorin> References: <20080617104448.2b43f109@gibibit.com> <20080617203710.GA31785@thorin> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:53:44 -0400 Message-Id: <1213736024.32234.16.camel@dv> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.2 (2.22.2-2.fc9) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. Subject: Re: [PATCH] Tidy up 'make' output X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GRUB 2 List-Id: The development of GRUB 2 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:53:49 -0000 On Tue, 2008-06-17 at 22:37 +0200, Robert Millan wrote: > I don't like the idea of hiding information this way. If something fails, "make V=1" can be used to find the command. > If the goal is to > catch warnings, I think -Werror can do a much better job (and catching > errors shouldn't be a problem unless you're using make -j or -k). Even with -j and -k, rerunning make would show the error at the end. But -Werror would not help for linker warnings and whatever else some utility may want to tell users. Also, projects that use -Werror often find the build fail because a new, stricter compiler finds warnings in headers of older libraries. Also, using -Werror would put pressure on developers to fix warnings in a provisional way rather than address the real issue. The GRUB build is especially noisy. It's hard to say what's being generated at the given time without looking very closely. Shorter output could possibly help improve the build system, because it would be clear where the build is spending most of the time. -- Regards, Pavel Roskin