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From: Joe Perches <joe@perches.com>
To: schwidefsky@de.ibm.com
Cc: "Greg KH" <gregkh@suse.de>, "Kay Sievers" <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org,
	lf_kernel_messages@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Michael Holzheu" <holzheu@de.ibm.com>,
	"Gerrit Huizenga" <gh@us.ibm.com>,
	"Randy Dunlap" <randy.dunlap@oracle.com>,
	"Jan Kara" <jack@suse.cz>, "Pavel Machek" <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	"Sam Ravnborg" <sam@ravnborg.org>,
	"Jochen Voß" <jochen.voss@googlemail.com>,
	"Kunai Takashi" <kunai@linux-foundation.jp>,
	"Tim Bird" <tim.bird@am.sony.com>
Subject: Re: [patch 1/3] kmsg: Kernel message catalog macros.
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:36:14 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1218915375.24527.105.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1218326902.14983.22.camel@localhost>

On Sun, 2008-08-10 at 02:08 +0200, Martin Schwidefsky wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 08:59 -0700, Joe Perches wrote:
> > On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 10:31 +0200, Martin Schwidefsky wrote:
> > > 1) The message tag is for the user of the system. If it does not have a
> > > fixed position it gets confusing.
> > I think the message tag today is not useful for a user.
> > It seems a barely useful maintainer value.
> > Perhaps the message tag allows for run-time language
> > translation and maybe a bit better selective logging.
> Aehhm, .. what ? If a user does not understand a message directly
> how can he NOT be interested in the kmsg tag? As a random example
> consider the situation when the user gets the message
> 
> 	monwriter.1: Writing monitor data failed with rc=5
> 
> Usually a user will go "Huh?" except if he is a z/VM expert. Looking
> at the source code won't help too much either:
> 
> static int monwrite_diag(struct monwrite_hdr *myhdr, char *buffer, int fcn)
> {
>         struct appldata_product_id id;
>         int rc;
> 
>         strcpy(id.prod_nr, "LNXAPPL");
>         id.prod_fn = myhdr->applid;
>         id.record_nr = myhdr->record_num;
>         id.version_nr = myhdr->version;
>         id.release_nr = myhdr->release;
>         id.mod_lvl = myhdr->mod_level;
>         rc = appldata_asm(&id, fcn, (void *) buffer, myhdr->datalen);
>         if (rc <= 0)
>                 return rc;
>         if (rc == 5)
>                 return -EPERM;
>         kmsg_err(1,"Writing monitor data failed with rc=%i\n", rc);
>         return -EINVAL;
> }
> 
> What the user should do is to cut-copy-paste the kmsg tag monwriter.1
> and pass it to man:
> 
> # man monwriter.1
> 
> What the user will then get is the man page that has been generated
> from the kmsg comment with "make D=2":
> 
> --- snip
> monwriter.1(9)                                                  monwriter.1(9)
> 
> Message
>        monwriter.1: Writing monitor data failed with rc=%i
> 
> Severity
>        Error
> 
> Parameters
>        @1: return code
> 
> Description
>        The  monitor  stream  application  device driver used the z/VM diagnose
>        call DIAG X'DC' to start writing monitor data. z/VM returned  an  error
>        and  the  monitor data cannot be written. If the return code is 5, your
>        z/VM guest virtual machine is not authorized to write monitor data.
> 
> User action
>        If the return code is 5, ensure that your z/VM guest virtual  machine's
>        entry in the z/VM directory includes the OPTION APPLMON statement.  For
>        other return codes see the section about DIAGNOSE Code X'DC'  in  "z/VM
>        CP Programming Services".

Doesn't this example better illustrate the barely useful
user value of such a message and documentation?

In your example, monwriter.1 with a return code of 5 isn't possible.

  reply	other threads:[~2008-08-16 19:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-07-30 16:56 [patch 0/3] [RFC] kmsg macros and script, take x+1 Martin Schwidefsky
2008-07-30 16:56 ` [patch 1/3] kmsg: Kernel message catalog macros Martin Schwidefsky
2008-07-30 19:39   ` Greg KH
2008-07-31  8:35     ` Martin Schwidefsky
2008-07-30 22:02   ` Kay Sievers
2008-07-30 22:04     ` Greg KH
2008-07-31  9:10       ` Martin Schwidefsky
2008-08-05 22:31         ` Greg KH
2008-08-06  8:35           ` Martin Schwidefsky
2008-08-06 20:07             ` Greg KH
2008-08-07  8:31               ` Martin Schwidefsky
2008-08-07 15:59                 ` Joe Perches
2008-08-10  0:08                   ` Martin Schwidefsky
2008-08-16 19:36                     ` Joe Perches [this message]
2008-08-17 17:27                       ` Martin Schwidefsky
2008-08-07 17:01                 ` Greg KH
2008-08-10  0:03                   ` Martin Schwidefsky
2008-08-11 10:54                     ` Jan Kara
2008-07-31  8:36     ` Martin Schwidefsky
2008-08-13  0:35   ` Tim Hockin
2008-08-14 17:04     ` Martin Schwidefsky
2008-08-14 18:50       ` Tim Hockin
2008-08-15  3:08         ` Joe Perches
2008-08-15  3:44           ` Greg KH
2008-08-15  5:33             ` Tim Hockin
2008-08-15 11:21               ` Jan Blunck
2008-08-15 15:39                 ` Tim Hockin
2008-08-18  9:23                   ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-18 10:39                     ` Jan Kara
2008-08-18 17:51                     ` Tim Hockin
2008-08-15 16:03               ` Greg KH
2008-08-15 17:03                 ` Tim Hockin
2008-08-16 18:06                   ` Martin Schwidefsky
2008-08-13  4:33   ` Rusty Russell
2008-08-13  7:04     ` Tim Hockin
2008-08-13  7:13       ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-13 14:50         ` Tim Hockin
2008-08-14  1:53       ` Rusty Russell
2008-08-14 15:40         ` Tim Hockin
2008-08-14 17:11           ` Martin Schwidefsky
2008-08-14 17:07     ` Martin Schwidefsky
2008-08-14 23:22       ` Rusty Russell
2008-08-16 17:49         ` Martin Schwidefsky
2008-08-16 20:40           ` Tim Hockin
2008-08-17  3:39             ` Rick Troth
2008-08-17  5:11             ` Rusty Russell
2008-08-17 17:33               ` Martin Schwidefsky
2008-08-17 17:28             ` Martin Schwidefsky
2008-08-17 17:31               ` Tim Hockin
2008-08-15 20:05     ` Rick Troth
2008-08-16 17:45       ` Martin Schwidefsky
2008-08-25 15:56     ` Martin Schwidefsky
2008-08-26  1:38       ` Rusty Russell
2008-09-01 12:28         ` Martin Schwidefsky
2008-09-02 13:34           ` Rusty Russell
2008-09-02 14:16             ` Martin Schwidefsky
2008-07-30 16:56 ` [patch 2/3] kmsg: Kernel message catalog script Martin Schwidefsky
2008-07-31  6:40   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-07-31 10:23   ` Takashi Nishiie
2008-07-31 10:23     ` Takashi Nishiie
2008-08-01 11:39     ` Martin Schwidefsky
2008-07-30 16:56 ` [patch 3/3] kmsg: convert xpram messages to kmsg api Martin Schwidefsky
2008-07-30 19:43   ` Greg KH
2008-07-31  8:33     ` Martin Schwidefsky
2008-08-05 22:34       ` Greg KH
2008-08-06  8:46         ` Martin Schwidefsky
2008-08-06  8:46           ` Martin Schwidefsky
2008-08-06 20:11           ` Greg KH
2008-08-07  8:39             ` Martin Schwidefsky
2008-08-07 17:03               ` Greg KH
2008-08-04  6:48   ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-04  8:06     ` Martin Schwidefsky
     [not found] ` <20080804202614.GA29170@uranus.ravnborg.org>
2008-08-05  8:03   ` [patch 0/3] [RFC] kmsg macros and script, take x+1 Martin Schwidefsky
     [not found] <OF576C88F7.D38E7FE6-ONC12574B1.00547361-C12574B1.005502D2@de.ibm.com>
2008-09-01 12:30 ` [patch 1/3] kmsg: Kernel message catalog macros Martin Schwidefsky

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