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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Gregory Haskins <ghaskins@novell.com>
Cc: mingo@elte.hu, rostedt@goodmis.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org,
	gregory.haskins@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] seqlock: serialize against writers
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:08:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1220094497.8426.9.camel@twins> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080829154237.1196.66825.stgit@dev.haskins.net>

On Fri, 2008-08-29 at 11:44 -0400, Gregory Haskins wrote:
> *Patch submitted for inclusion in PREEMPT_RT 26-rt4.  Applies to 2.6.26.3-rt3*
> 
> Hi Ingo, Steven, Thomas,
>   Please consider for -rt4.  This fixes a nasty deadlock on my systems under
>   heavy load.
> 
> -Greg
> 
> ----
> 
> Seqlocks have always advertised that readers do not "block", but this was
> never really true.  Readers have always logically blocked at the head of
> the critical section under contention with writers, regardless of whether
> they were allowed to run code or not.
> 
> Recent changes in this space (88a411c07b6fedcfc97b8dc51ae18540bd2beda0)
> have turned this into a more explicit blocking operation in mainline.
> However, this change highlights a short-coming in -rt because the
> normal seqlock_ts are preemptible.  This means that we can potentially
> deadlock should a reader spin waiting for a write critical-section to end
> while the writer is preempted.

I think the technical term is livelock.

So the problem is that the write side gets preempted, and the read side
spins in a non-preemptive fashion?

Looking at the code, __read_seqbegin() doesn't disable preemption, so
even while highly inefficient when spinning against a preempted lock, it
shouldn't livelock, since the spinner can get preempted giving the
writer a chance to finish.

> This patch changes the internal implementation to use a rwlock and forces
> the readers to serialize with the writers under contention.  This will
> have the advantage that -rt seqlocks_t will sleep the reader if deadlock
> were imminent, and it will pi-boost the writer to prevent inversion.
> 
> This fixes a deadlock discovered under testing where all high prioritiy
> readers were hogging the cpus and preventing a writer from releasing the
> lock.
> 
> Since seqlocks are designed to be used as rarely-write locks, this should
> not affect the performance in the fast-path

Not quite, seqlocks never suffered the cacheline bounce rwlocks have -
which was they strongest point - so I very much not like this change.

As to the x86_64 gtod-vsyscall, that uses a raw_seqlock_t on -rt, which
is still non-preemptable and should thus not be affected by this
livelock scenario.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-08-30 11:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-08-29 15:44 [PATCH] seqlock: serialize against writers Gregory Haskins
2008-08-29 16:09 ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-29 16:10   ` Gregory Haskins
2008-08-29 16:22     ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-29 16:26       ` Gregory Haskins
2008-08-29 16:34         ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-29 16:35           ` Gregory Haskins
2008-08-29 16:45             ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-29 16:53               ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-29 17:00                 ` Gregory Haskins
2008-08-29 17:00               ` Gregory Haskins
2008-08-29 16:58             ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-29 16:29       ` Gregory Haskins
2008-08-29 16:37         ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-29 16:41           ` Gregory Haskins
2008-08-29 17:08             ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-29 16:57 ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-08-29 17:02   ` [ RT PATCH] " Steven Rostedt
2008-08-29 18:03 ` [RT PATCH v2] " Gregory Haskins
2008-08-29 18:03   ` Gregory Haskins
2008-08-29 18:12   ` Gregory Haskins
2008-08-30 11:17   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-30 12:32     ` Gregory Haskins
2008-08-30 12:38       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-30 13:05         ` Gregory Haskins
2008-08-30 11:08 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2008-09-02 12:45 ` [RT PATCH v3] " Gregory Haskins
2008-09-02 13:01   ` Gregory Haskins
2008-09-02 13:29 ` [RT PATCH v4] " Gregory Haskins
2008-09-02 13:29   ` Gregory Haskins

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