From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756427AbYIPDAS (ORCPT ); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:00:18 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1753886AbYIPDAF (ORCPT ); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:00:05 -0400 Received: from mail-in-08.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.48]:33158 "EHLO mail-in-08.arcor-online.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753438AbYIPDAC (ORCPT ); Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:00:02 -0400 Subject: Re: [linux-dvb] Multiproto API/Driver Update From: hermann pitton To: Andy Walls Cc: Julian Scheel , linux-dvb@linuxtv.org, Linux Kernel Mailing List , Manu Abraham In-Reply-To: <1221520226.2773.31.camel@morgan.walls.org> References: <466109.26020.qm@web46101.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <48C66829.1010902@grumpydevil.homelinux.org> <48CC42D8.8080806@gmail.com> <48CC4D35.3000003@gmail.com> <48CD43C1.2090902@linuxtv.org> <48CD5D19.1070700@gmail.com> <1221425146.4278.30.camel@morgan.walls.org> <48CDF7A1.2020905@jusst.de> <1221520226.2773.31.camel@morgan.walls.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:55:59 +0200 Message-Id: <1221533759.2715.99.camel@pc10.localdom.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.3 (2.12.3-5.fc8) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Am Montag, den 15.09.2008, 19:10 -0400 schrieb Andy Walls: > On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 07:50 +0200, Julian Scheel wrote: > > Andy, > > > > just to clarify things a bit I'll give a short statement now. > > > > Andy Walls schrieb: > > > Though I can't read much German, after looking at the jusst.de website I > > > can't help but think that you as well have financial interests driving > > > your actions. If so, then your statements display quite a bit of > > > hypocrisy. > > > > > The role of jusst technologies in the whole multiproto story is as > > following: > > The time when DVB-S2 came up this was of course of major interest for > > jusst technologies, so we searched for people working on drivers. At > > that not many people did seem to care about this stuff - but Manu did. > > So we got in contact and tried to help him as much as we can, which > > included making up connections to KNC1 for technical questions and > > datasheets, provide a KNC1 testing board and later then give free > > web/codespace to Manu. > > Julian > > First let me acknowledge jusst technologies contribution. It seems > generous. Thank you for clarifying. > > > > Furthermore we of course did lots of testing of multiproto. But never we > > did pay Manu for any of this work. > > Reading that you should recognize that there can't be much financial > > interests for Manu. > > Manu clarified this. > I don't doubt it. But holding the members of a whole community as captives over several years is a even much more severe issue. Alone for reading the thousands of mails, how can I build the f*, there is no compensation and that alone is a reason to have serious doubts about such kind of support or keep that out of linuxtv too. To accuse Steve now, his major captive, of something, Manu is far away to even come close to be allowed to do such, if you look at it in whole, is a further proof, that it will never end until he has v4l-dvb :) This would cure him immediately in that direction and I seriously suggested it. The underlying problem is deeper, you can't allow something important, like S2 HDTV support on GNU/Linux, to be in the hand of a single developer and related NDAs. The guy might be as fine like Manu, but what comes down to him from all sides behind the scenes will make even the best soon uncomfortable and others scratch their had, damned, why he always bites and would this ever end? In between others spend their time tracking down some old issue someone is coming back with after years, but on that shiny new driver this will of course never happen again ... Cheers, Hermann From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-path: Received: from mail-in-08.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.48]) by www.linuxtv.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KfQnK-0004kn-5w for linux-dvb@linuxtv.org; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 05:00:03 +0200 From: hermann pitton To: Andy Walls In-Reply-To: <1221520226.2773.31.camel@morgan.walls.org> References: <466109.26020.qm@web46101.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <48C66829.1010902@grumpydevil.homelinux.org> <48CC42D8.8080806@gmail.com> <48CC4D35.3000003@gmail.com> <48CD43C1.2090902@linuxtv.org> <48CD5D19.1070700@gmail.com> <1221425146.4278.30.camel@morgan.walls.org> <48CDF7A1.2020905@jusst.de> <1221520226.2773.31.camel@morgan.walls.org> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:55:59 +0200 Message-Id: <1221533759.2715.99.camel@pc10.localdom.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: linux-dvb@linuxtv.org, Linux Kernel Mailing List , Manu Abraham Subject: Re: [linux-dvb] Multiproto API/Driver Update List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-dvb-bounces@linuxtv.org Errors-To: linux-dvb-bounces+mchehab=infradead.org@linuxtv.org List-ID: Am Montag, den 15.09.2008, 19:10 -0400 schrieb Andy Walls: > On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 07:50 +0200, Julian Scheel wrote: > > Andy, > > > > just to clarify things a bit I'll give a short statement now. > > > > Andy Walls schrieb: > > > Though I can't read much German, after looking at the jusst.de website I > > > can't help but think that you as well have financial interests driving > > > your actions. If so, then your statements display quite a bit of > > > hypocrisy. > > > > > The role of jusst technologies in the whole multiproto story is as > > following: > > The time when DVB-S2 came up this was of course of major interest for > > jusst technologies, so we searched for people working on drivers. At > > that not many people did seem to care about this stuff - but Manu did. > > So we got in contact and tried to help him as much as we can, which > > included making up connections to KNC1 for technical questions and > > datasheets, provide a KNC1 testing board and later then give free > > web/codespace to Manu. > > Julian > > First let me acknowledge jusst technologies contribution. It seems > generous. Thank you for clarifying. > > > > Furthermore we of course did lots of testing of multiproto. But never we > > did pay Manu for any of this work. > > Reading that you should recognize that there can't be much financial > > interests for Manu. > > Manu clarified this. > I don't doubt it. But holding the members of a whole community as captives over several years is a even much more severe issue. Alone for reading the thousands of mails, how can I build the f*, there is no compensation and that alone is a reason to have serious doubts about such kind of support or keep that out of linuxtv too. To accuse Steve now, his major captive, of something, Manu is far away to even come close to be allowed to do such, if you look at it in whole, is a further proof, that it will never end until he has v4l-dvb :) This would cure him immediately in that direction and I seriously suggested it. The underlying problem is deeper, you can't allow something important, like S2 HDTV support on GNU/Linux, to be in the hand of a single developer and related NDAs. The guy might be as fine like Manu, but what comes down to him from all sides behind the scenes will make even the best soon uncomfortable and others scratch their had, damned, why he always bites and would this ever end? In between others spend their time tracking down some old issue someone is coming back with after years, but on that shiny new driver this will of course never happen again ... Cheers, Hermann _______________________________________________ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb