From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>
Cc: Alok Kataria <akataria@vmware.com>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk" <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86: Reduce the default HZ value
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 19:18:38 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1241716718.6311.1531.camel@laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1241716422.6311.1524.camel@laptop>
On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 19:13 +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 19:09 +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 10:13 -0400, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> > > I think we need to reduce the general tick frequency to be as low as
> > > possible. With high resolution timers the tick frequency is just the
> > > frequency with which the timer interrupt disturbs a running application.
> > >
> > > Are there any benefits remaining from frequent timer interrupts? I would
> > > think that 60 HZ would be sufficient.
> > >
> > > It would be good if the kernel would be truly tickless. Scheduler events
> > > would be driven by the scheduling intervals and not the invokations of the
> > > scheduler softirq.
> >
> > The only thing that's driven by the softirq is load-balancing, there's
> > way more to the scheduler-tick than kicking that thing awake every so
> > often.
> >
> > The problem is that running the scheduler of off hrtimers is too
> > expensive. We have the code, we tried it, people complained.
>
> Therefore, decreasing the HZ value to say 50, we'd get a minimum
> involuntary preemption granularity of 20ms, something on the high end of
> barely usable.
Another user is RCU, the grace period is tick driven, growing these
ticks by a factor 50 or so might require some tinkering with forced
grace periods when we notice our batch queues getting too long.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-05-07 17:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-05-04 18:44 [PATCH] x86: Reduce the default HZ value Alok Kataria
2009-05-05 21:21 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-05 21:44 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-05 22:09 ` Alok Kataria
2009-05-05 22:33 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-05 23:37 ` Alok Kataria
2009-05-07 14:09 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 15:12 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-05 21:57 ` Alok Kataria
2009-05-07 14:13 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 15:14 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-07 15:20 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 15:30 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-07 15:40 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 16:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-07 17:09 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-07 17:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-07 19:51 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-07 20:03 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-07 20:30 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-07 16:37 ` Alok Kataria
2009-05-07 17:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-07 17:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-07 17:18 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2009-05-07 17:20 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 17:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-07 17:40 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 17:54 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-05-07 17:51 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 19:51 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-05-07 17:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-05-07 17:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-07 18:01 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-05-07 18:12 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 19:06 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-05-07 19:53 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-07 19:56 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 20:24 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-07 20:21 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-08 10:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-08 12:50 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-05-08 14:16 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-08 15:06 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-05-07 17:18 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 17:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-07 17:34 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 17:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-07 17:55 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 17:19 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 17:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-07 17:50 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 19:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-07 19:38 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 21:01 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-07 16:35 ` Chris Snook
2009-05-07 16:56 ` Alok Kataria
2009-05-07 20:29 ` Chris Snook
2009-05-07 20:34 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-07 22:16 ` Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2009-05-07 22:19 ` Alok Kataria
2009-05-08 9:31 ` Alan Cox
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-05-12 19:45 devzero
2009-05-13 23:30 ` Alok Kataria
2009-05-14 20:25 devzero
2009-05-14 20:29 ` Alan Cox
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