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From: Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>
To: selinux@udmvt.ru
Cc: Joshua Brindle <method@manicmethod.com>, SELinux@tycho.nsa.gov
Subject: Re: Dropping SELinux privileges
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 08:35:32 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1242650132.29973.184.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090518085324.GB10816@ruber.office.udmvt.ru>

On Mon, 2009-05-18 at 13:53 +0500, selinux@udmvt.ru wrote:
> On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 02:33:29PM -0400, Joshua Brindle wrote:
> > Sebastien Raveau wrote:
> >> Hi everybody!
> >>
> >>
> >> As a personal challenge I am trying to reach "state of the art"
> >> security on my home router... and for that I'm using SELinux of course
> >> ;-)
> >>
> >> I have everything setup and working, but what intrigues me is: isn't
> >> there a way to drop SELinux privileges?
> >>
> >> I mean, many programs require privileges only during their startup
> >> phase, and restricting their rights from the outside proves
> >> impossible; that's why volontary chroot(), setgid() and setuid() are
> >> so useful: the program decides when to relinquish its privileges.
> >>
> >> For example, a program like OpenVPN should only be allowed network
> >> I/O, but because its initialization invokes shell commands, we have to
> >> give it many more rights than it actually needs. Granted, in the case
> >> of OpenVPN the combination with setuid and chroot solves the shell
> >> commands problem, but this still makes policy files too complex...
> >>
> >> Maximum (theoretical) security could be reached if a program could be
> >> allowed to switch from some policy to an even more restrictive policy,
> >> and very simple policy files could be written if a program could be
> >> allowed to start unconfined and when ready apply a policy to itself,
> >> which is basically the same.
> >>
> >>
> >> I couldn't find such a thing in the SELinux API: have I misread? Or it
> >> does not exist and perhaps I could contribute it? :-)
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >
> > SELinux has a concept of type transitions to change the type (or domain) 
> > of a process over an exec(). So the openvpn example would type transition 
> > when it runs the shell commands and the shell commands would run in a 
> > less privileged domain.
> >
> > There is also a way to change the domain of a process at runtime called 
> > setcon() though we prefer transitions over exec() because they can be 
> > enforced and less state is passed over exec than available in a running 
> > process.
> By the way, why there is no type transition on fork? It would help a lot
> on confining traditional unix services with minimum effort, don't you think?
> Everybody knows that there is some common model - parent is listener, children
> are workers, but all code resides in one binary. Splitting it into separate
> programs requires some effort, you know. One extra file in /proc will easily
> help to "convert" such applications to SELinux.
> You will have to just change the starup script: after parent is started you just write
> to /proc file the required children's context (assuming it is the same across all forks),
> and that's it, no extra patches to application is needed, no recompilation.
> Isn't it easy and robust solution? Am I wrong or what?
> Or maybe such thing already present somewhere?

Prior discussion of fork and security context transitions:
http://marc.info/?t=107545401000002&r=1&w=2

This is partly obsoleted by the introduction of setcon(3), which does
allow dynamic context transitions (but comes with strong caveats about
its use - effectively only appropriate when the program is trusted to
maintain separation between the two contexts).  However, the program
would still need to be modified to invoke setcon(3) after the fork().

Even aside from lack of separation, since the kernel cannot distinguish
the purpose of the fork() call from any other fork() call made by the
application, I doubt automatic type transitions on fork would in fact be
useful, and they seem very prone to error.

With regard to setting the security attributes of one process from
another process (since you indicated that you would write to the /proc
file from the startup script rather than modify the program), that is
decidedly racy and unsafe, and likewise very prone to error.

-- 
Stephen Smalley
National Security Agency


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      reply	other threads:[~2009-05-18 12:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 4+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <3453b4110905151046s27022fb4jf9975fa4523572fa@mail.gmail.com>
2009-05-15 18:00 ` Dropping SELinux privileges Sebastien Raveau
2009-05-15 18:33   ` Joshua Brindle
2009-05-18  8:53     ` selinux
2009-05-18 12:35       ` Stephen Smalley [this message]

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