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From: Pavel Roskin <proski@gnu.org>
To: The development of GRUB 2 <grub-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Some ideas about new features of grub
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:51:14 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1246557074.30158.20.camel@mj> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ca0f59980907020148l2028fb3fl706fecc7d8d00f4d@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 2009-07-02 at 16:48 +0800, Bean wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Here are some of my ideas about the new features of grub.
> 
> Move kernel to a module.
> This make it possible to relocate the kernel. For example, we can use
> it to move grub-pc to upper memory, and free conventional memory for
> use by real mode os such as MS-DOS. grub can resides in memory even
> after os take overs, and we can invoke it through interrupt hooks.

I don't care about MS DOS.  Other OSes should not need GRUB.  If you
want GRUB to be a supervisor or a microkernel, it's better that GRUB
loads them instead of incorporating their functionality.

The only reason for GRUB to _be_ a supervisor or a microkernel would be
to implement some kind of TPM, and I don't think we should spend
development effort on that unless were can be sure that it won't be used
against our users.

> LUA integration.
> LUA is quite powerful, it's more suitable to do complicated task than
> sh script. For example, we can use it to detect os at runtime,
> implement simple commands, or draw the graphic menu.

Yes, I think LUA improvements should continue.  We may switch to a LUA
implementation of grub.cfg at some point.

> Read/Write file system support
> We can implement two kind of fs drivers. The boot time driver is
> read-only, but after entering normal mode, we can optionally load
> another driver for write support. This approach has been used by EFI.
> For example, it has a default FAT driver, but you can also load an
> extended FAT driver
> later.

I think it's pure featuritis.  There is no reason for a bootloader to
write to filesystems except to store it's state, which is already
implemented.  What would GRUB write?  Implementing and maintaining full
featured drivers would take a lot of effort.  I'd rather see someone
implement UUIDs for all filesystems.

> Disk emulation.
> Now that it has drivemap command, we can extended it to map hard disk
> or cdrom image file, roughly equivalent to the memdisk of syslinux.

Hard drives and CD-ROMs are usually large and would take a lot of space
in memory that would need to remain allocated.  I think we need a strong
case to start that effort.

I'd rather see an effort to support CD-ROM and other ATAPI devices
without disrupting BIOS access to the hard drives and floppies.  We also
need AHCI support.

-- 
Regards,
Pavel Roskin



  reply	other threads:[~2009-07-02 17:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-07-02  8:48 Some ideas about new features of grub Bean
2009-07-02 17:51 ` Pavel Roskin [this message]
2009-07-02 18:38   ` Duboucher Thomas
2009-07-02 20:44     ` Pavel Roskin
2009-07-02 19:38   ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-07-02 21:23     ` Pavel Roskin
2009-07-02 21:37       ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-07-04  4:57         ` Pavel Roskin
2009-07-31  8:18   ` Marco Gerards
2009-07-04 20:18 ` Robert Millan
2009-07-05  3:13   ` Bean
2009-07-07 18:39     ` Robert Millan
2009-07-08  6:19       ` Pavel Roskin
2009-07-10 17:11         ` Robert Millan
2009-07-10 21:27           ` BandiPat
2009-07-11  6:53             ` Bean
2009-07-11 16:20               ` Michal Suchanek
2009-07-11 18:32                 ` Colin Watson
2009-07-11 18:55                   ` Robert Millan
2009-07-11 18:33                 ` Felix Zielcke
2009-07-11 18:27               ` Robert Millan
2009-07-12 13:40               ` Pavel Roskin
2009-08-23 12:55 ` Robert Millan
2009-08-23 12:56 ` Robert Millan
2009-08-23 15:22   ` adrian15
2009-08-23 16:58     ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2009-08-23 23:02       ` Robert Millan
2009-09-11 21:48   ` Pavel Roskin

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