From: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
To: eranian@gmail.com
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Robert Richter <robert.richter@amd.com>,
Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
Maynard Johnson <mpjohn@us.ibm.com>, Carl Love <cel@us.ibm.com>,
Corey J Ashford <cjashfor@us.ibm.com>,
Philip Mucci <mucci@eecs.utk.edu>,
Dan Terpstra <terpstra@eecs.utk.edu>,
perfmon2-devel <perfmon2-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@googlemail.com>,
oleg <oleg@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: perf_counters issue with self-sampling threads
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:19:08 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1248869948.6987.3083.camel@twins> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7c86c4470907270951i48886d56g90bc198f26bb0716@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, 2009-07-27 at 18:51 +0200, stephane eranian wrote:
> I believe there is a problem with the current perf_counters (PCL)
> code for self-sampling threads. The problem is related to sample
> notifications via signal.
>
> PCL (just like perfmon) is using SIGIO, an asynchronous signal,
> to notify user applications of the availability of data in the event
> buffer.
>
> POSIX does not mandate that asynchronous signals be delivered
> to the thread in which they originated. Any thread in the process
> may process the signal, assuming it does not have the signal
> blocked.
This signal stuff makes my head spin a little, however:
fcntl(2) for F_SETOWN says:
If a non-zero value is given to F_SETSIG in a multi‐ threaded
process running with a threading library that supports thread groups
(e.g., NPTL), then a positive value given to F_SETOWN has a
different meaning: instead of being a process ID identifying a whole
pro‐ cess, it is a thread ID identifying a specific thread within a
process. Consequently, it may be necessary to pass F_SETOWN the
result of gettid(2) instead of get‐ pid(2) to get sensible results
when F_SETSIG is used. (In current Linux threading
implementations, a main thread’s thread ID is the same as its process
ID. This means that a single-threaded program can equally use
gettid(2) or getpid(2) in this scenario.) Note, how‐ ever, that
the statements in this paragraph do not apply to the SIGURG signal
generated for out-of-band data on a socket: this signal is always
sent to either a process or a process group, depending on the value
given to F_SETOWN. Note also that Linux imposes a limit on the
number of real-time signals that may be queued to a process (see
getrlimit(2) and signal(7)) and if this limit is reached, then the
kernel reverts to delivering SIGIO, and this signal is delivered
to the entire process rather than to a specific thread.
Which seems to imply that when we feed fcntl(F_SETOWN) a TID instead of
a PID it should deliver SIGIO to the thread instead of the whole process
-- which, to me, seems a sane semantic.
However,
kill_fasync(SIGIO)
__kill_fasync()
send_sigio()
/* if pid_type is a PIDTYPE_PID and pid a TID this should
only iterate the one thread, I think */
do_each_pid_task() {
send_sigio_to_task();
} while_each_pid_task();
where:
send_sigio_to_task()
group_send_sig_info()
__group_send_sig_info()
send_signal(.group = 1) /* uh-ow trouble */
__send_signal()
if (group)
pending = &t->signal->shared_pending
which will result in the signal being send to the whole process anyway.
Now I was considering teaching send_sigio_to_task() to use
specific_send_sig_info() when fown->pid != fown->group_leader->pid or
something, but I'm not sure that won't break anything.
Alternatively, I've missed a detail and I either read the manpage wrong,
or the code, or both of them.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-07-29 12:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-07-27 16:51 perf_counters issue with self-sampling threads stephane eranian
2009-07-27 16:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-27 21:25 ` Andi Kleen
[not found] ` <7c86c4470907272213w2ee57080re50dd22a4d73a7e0@mail.gmail.com>
2009-07-28 8:51 ` stephane eranian
2009-07-28 8:56 ` Andi Kleen
2009-07-28 9:13 ` stephane eranian
2009-08-04 16:09 ` stephane eranian
2009-07-29 12:19 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2009-07-29 12:37 ` stephane eranian
2009-07-29 12:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-29 22:17 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-07-30 11:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-30 19:20 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-07-30 20:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-30 20:28 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-07-30 21:09 ` stephane eranian
2009-07-31 8:35 ` [RFC][PATCH] fcntl: F_[SG]ETOWN_TID Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-31 14:01 ` stephane eranian
2009-07-31 20:52 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-07-31 21:11 ` Andrew Morton
2009-08-01 1:27 ` [PATCH 0/2] send_sigio/do_send_sig_info (Was: [RFC][PATCH] fcntl: F_[SG]ETOWN_TID) Oleg Nesterov
2009-08-03 15:48 ` [PATCH 3/2] fcntl: F_[SG]ETOWN_TID Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-03 17:16 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-08-03 17:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-03 18:06 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-08-03 18:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-03 19:02 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-08-04 11:39 ` [PATCH 3/2 -v3] fcntl: F_[SG]ETOWN_EX Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-04 16:20 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-08-04 16:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-04 17:19 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-08-06 13:14 ` [PATCH 3/2 -v4] " Peter Zijlstra
2009-08-06 19:05 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-08-07 12:10 ` stephane eranian
2009-08-01 1:28 ` [PATCH 1/2] signals: introduce do_send_sig_info() helper Oleg Nesterov
2009-08-01 1:28 ` [PATCH 2/2] signals: send_sigio: use do_send_sig_info() to avoid check_kill_permission() Oleg Nesterov
2009-08-03 12:53 ` [RFC][PATCH] fcntl: F_[SG]ETOWN_TID stephane eranian
2009-08-09 5:46 ` F_SETOWN_TID: F_SETOWN was thread-specific for a while Jamie Lokier
2009-08-10 12:22 ` stephane eranian
2009-08-10 17:03 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-08-10 21:01 ` stephane eranian
2009-08-17 17:16 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-08-17 17:40 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-08-17 22:26 ` stephane eranian
2009-08-18 11:45 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-08-20 10:00 ` stephane eranian
2009-08-11 13:10 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-17 17:05 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-08-03 15:21 ` [RFC][PATCH] fcntl: F_[SG]ETOWN_TID Peter Zijlstra
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