From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1MnGxw-0006Gl-Mr for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:11:56 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MnGxv-0006Fh-FT for grub-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:11:55 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MnGxr-0006Ay-RT for grub-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:11:55 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=50881 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MnGxr-0006Ao-Nn for grub-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:11:51 -0400 Received: from c60.cesmail.net ([216.154.195.49]:15042) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MnGxr-0002XO-Af for grub-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:11:51 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO smtprelay1.cesmail.net) ([192.168.1.111]) by c60.cesmail.net with ESMTP; 14 Sep 2009 15:11:49 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.22] (static-72-92-88-10.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [72.92.88.10]) by smtprelay1.cesmail.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8ABE834C69 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:11:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Pavel Roskin To: The development of GRUB 2 In-Reply-To: References: <1252505468.2998.16.camel@fz.local> <1252587711.2908.38.camel@fz.local> <20090911131709.GC7959@thorin> <20090912125452.GB11249@thorin> <20090914153226.GA25403@thorin> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:11:37 -0400 Message-Id: <1252955497.4336.5.camel@mj> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.3 (2.26.3-1.fc11) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. Subject: Re: About firmware facilities X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GRUB 2 List-Id: The development of GRUB 2 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:11:55 -0000 On Tue, 2009-09-15 at 04:27 +0930, Brendan Trotter wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Robert Millan wrote: > > Well, you have the freedom to disagree with anything we do and bring your > > customized GRUB to a different direction :-) > > > > Anyhow, my priority for GRUB is strong driver-based support. We could recruit > > someone to develop the framework in next year's GSoC (unless somebody steps > > in, of course). > > Why stop there? > > If proprietory ethernet ROMs aren't good enough, then what about > proprietory SCSI ROMs, and proprietory firmware/BIOS? We are already doing it. There is functional ATA support, USB support is under development. GRUB can serve as BIOS together with Coreboot. > Surely a boot manager wouldn't be a good manager if it didn't include > it's own replacements for all of these things; and perhaps it should > also include it's own replacement for proprietory OS's too... > > Why are you worrying about such silly things when the multi-boot > specification (which actually is relevant) is still severely borked? Patches are welcome. > > The DRM opt-in fallacy: "Your data belongs to us. We will decide when (and > > how) you may access your data; but nobody's threatening your freedom: we > > still allow you to remove your data and not access it at all." > > Sigh. I think I understand now - lack of logical thinking leads to > lack of rational behavior. Ad hominem arguments are not welcome here. -- Regards, Pavel Roskin