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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
Cc: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Nicholas Miell <nmiell@comcast.net>,
	laijs@cn.fujitsu.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com, josh@joshtriplett.org,
	dvhltc@us.ibm.com, niv@us.ibm.com, tglx@linutronix.de,
	Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, dhowells@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [patch 2/3] scheduler: add full memory barriers upon task switch at runqueue lock/unlock
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 10:42:30 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1265017350.24455.122.camel@laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100201073341.GH9085@laptop>

On Mon, 2010-02-01 at 18:33 +1100, Nick Piggin wrote:
> > Adds no overhead on x86, because LOCK-prefixed atomic operations of the spin
> > lock/unlock already imply a full memory barrier. Combines the spin lock
> > acquire/release barriers with the full memory barrier to diminish the
> > performance impact on other architectures. (per-architecture spinlock-mb.h
> > should be gradually implemented to replace the generic version)
> 
> It does add overhead on x86, as well as most other architectures.
> 
> This really seems like the wrong optimisation to make, especially
> given that there's not likely to be much using librcu yet, right?
> 
> I'd go with the simpler and safer version of sys_membarrier that does
> not do tricky synchronisation or add overhead to the ctxsw fastpath.
> Then if you see some actual improvement in a real program using librcu
> one day we can discuss making it faster.
> 
> As it is right now, the change will definitely slow down everybody
> not using librcu (ie. nearly everything). 

Right, so the problem with the 'slow'/'safe' version is that it takes
rq->lock for all relevant rqs. This renders while (1) sys_membarrier()
in a quite effective DoS.

Now, I'm not quite charmed by all this. Esp. this patch seems wrong. The
fact is on x86 we have all the required membarriers in place.

There's a number of LOCK ins before we set rq->curr and we have them
after. Adding more, like this patch effectively does
(smp_mb__{before,after}_unlock should be a full mb as Nick pointed out)
doesn't seem like a good idea at all.

And then there's !x86 to consider.


  reply	other threads:[~2010-02-01  9:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-31 20:52 [patch 0/3] introduce sys_membarrier(): process-wide memory barrier (v8) Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-01-31 20:52 ` [patch 1/3] Create spin lock/spin unlock with distinct memory barrier Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-02-01  7:25   ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-01 14:08     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-02-01  7:28   ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-01 14:10     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-02-01 15:22   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-02-01 15:41     ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-31 20:52 ` [patch 2/3] scheduler: add full memory barriers upon task switch at runqueue lock/unlock Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-02-01  7:33   ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-01  9:42     ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2010-02-01 10:11       ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-01 10:36         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-01 10:49           ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-01 14:47             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-02-01 14:58               ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-01 15:23                 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-01 15:44                   ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-01 16:00                   ` Mike Galbraith
2010-02-01 15:27   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-02-01 16:09     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-02-01 16:23       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-02-01 16:48         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-02-01 16:56           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-02-01 17:45             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-02-01 18:00               ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-01 18:36               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-02-01 19:56                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-02-01 20:42                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-02-01 22:42                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-02-01 20:33                 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-01 20:52                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-02-01 22:39                     ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-01 23:09                       ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-01 17:13           ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-01 17:34             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-02-01 16:24       ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-01 16:29         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-01 16:46           ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-01 16:11     ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-31 20:52 ` [patch 3/3] introduce sys_membarrier(): process-wide memory barrier (v8) Mathieu Desnoyers

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