From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1NfqKL-0002e1-VM for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2010 02:52:38 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NfqKJ-0002cW-Lw for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2010 02:52:35 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=36798 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NfqKI-0002bi-FW for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2010 02:52:34 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NfqKH-00038B-LY for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2010 02:52:34 -0500 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.159]:40539) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NfqKH-000387-FO for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Feb 2010 02:52:33 -0500 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e21so86040fga.12 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:52:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:in-reply-to :references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer :content-transfer-encoding; bh=3i/mXj/5/eignVDcYXhO2T3pD6qnU2FpPWR/LN//+0k=; b=lIeL5/PcwxS3+q/Bzh5qWagw11c5VJCCrF4tQIUXoViLu2mZq4HZhnGcPYpUL1go33 gtnorLRSg6VE13D431obgHh3PJYSD+1cd9w9nCcKHkbj+oFDzG2tNAhX+UtofuX6XImw 28BHtWcOuYDpL3USws3M73Co0VrDqdsV5KBOE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=pOTfI67muCNGhlszKwiGDDXRl5z44QOGw/OWZiSCK/G2T7S8e3epoVpQxC6VLRXIFv hjGrvvf6w1TP61ubhXRzp0O27+LdkWXO2nQSxHVcA78f6Yx4KgA3bdhdV+eL/K66mE1V 6azSqEm0UycRlUXBT9FybdBHFPOIq+/PnD9r4= Received: by 10.87.63.33 with SMTP id q33mr2131870fgk.24.1265961150295; Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:52:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?78.140.16.69? ([78.140.16.69]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 12sm660060fgg.22.2010.02.11.23.52.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:52:29 -0800 (PST) From: Evgeny Kolesnikov To: The development of GNU GRUB In-Reply-To: <4B750134.4090203@gmail.com> References: <4B585690.8090602@gmail.com> <1264160815.29881.61.camel@EK> <4B5EB1A5.5040200@gmail.com> <1264500247.3195.22.camel@EK> <1265958489.2292.33.camel@EK> <4B750134.4090203@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:52:27 +0600 Message-ID: <1265961147.2292.46.camel@EK> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Subject: Re: Antialiased fonts patch. X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GNU GRUB List-Id: The development of GNU GRUB List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:52:36 -0000 On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 01:20 -0600, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Evgeny Kolesnikov wrote: > > > If we really care about speed we should use 1-bit fonts. Nothing can be > > faster. And 1-bit fonts will stay here. > > > > But if we care about eye-candy view, we should not throw away any bits > > from FT library result. This will not be fast enough to replace 1-bit > > fonts, and it will differ from other desktop apps. So, what the profit? > > > > You also may concern about font size itsef (15-30 Mb for sub-pixel AA), > > but who really care about it when 1 Tb HDD costs less than 100$? Also we > > can gzip entire font file later if it will really be the problem. > > Actually I don't understand why AA fonts are needed for a screen that > most users will look at for about 3 seconds to select their OS and boot. > > I suspect most distros will set up grub to skip the GRUB screen completely. > > Is the effort worth the cost? I suppose doing it 'because you can' or > because someone is 'scratching and itch' is OK, but I don't think it > should be a major consideration. I can ask you only one thing: Bruce how your apartment's door is looks like? Is it a piece of rusted metal plate with number scratched out with screwdriver on it and wire soldered to use as handle? You use it only for reaching you home, 3-6 seconds (if you not drunk like a fish, of course :)... Anyway AA fonts completely optional.