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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Raistlin <raistlin@linux.it>
Cc: linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Song Yuan <song.yuan@ericsson.com>,
	Dmitry Adamushko <dmitry.adamushko@gmail.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Nicola Manica <nicola.manica@disi.unitn.it>,
	Luca Abeni <lucabe72@email.it>,
	Claudio Scordino <claudio@evidence.eu.com>,
	Harald Gustafsson <harald.gustafsson@ericsson.com>,
	Bjoern Brandenburg <bbb@email.unc.edu>,
	bastoni@cs.unc.edu, Giuseppe Lipari <lipari@retis.sssup.it>
Subject: Re: periods and deadlines in SCHED_DEADLINE
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 17:11:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1278774688.1998.42.camel@laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1278748227.4390.26.camel@Palantir>

On Sat, 2010-07-10 at 09:50 +0200, Raistlin wrote:

> Hey, fine, where's the problem? :-P

We're talking about it.. the exact semantics and the reasons
therefore ;-)

> > What are the exact semantics of this extra proposed syscall?
> > 
> Right now, it is:
> task_wait_interval(t) --> "wake me up at the first instant after t when 
> 			   you can give me my full runtime"
> 
> > What exactly are the benefits over not having it, and simply rely on the
> > task to not wake up more often, but if it does have it run into the lack
> > of budget and sort it that way?
> >
> What you're saying obviously will always work, and it is actually a
> quite common usage pattern (we use it like that a lot! :-)).
> 
> The new syscall might help when it is important for a task to
> synchronize with the budget provisioning mechanism. It might be
> uncommon, but there could be situations --more in hard than in soft
> scenarios-- where you want to be sure that you're next job (and all the
> subsequent ones, if you behave well) will get its full runtime, even if
> this means waiting a little bit.
> 
> what I was wondering was if this semantic should be modified by the
> introduction of the "period", but I also agree with Luca that we must do
> our best to avoid confusion!

Right, so I would actually expect RT job release to be triggered by
external events (say interrupts) more than on their own. And when its an
external event I don't really see the use of this new syscall.

I guess I'm asking for what reason RT tasks would be ever be
self-releasing, it seems, odd..

  reply	other threads:[~2010-07-10 15:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-09 13:38 periods and deadlines in SCHED_DEADLINE Raistlin
2010-07-09 14:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-07-09 14:51   ` Bjoern Brandenburg
2010-07-09 16:35     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-07-10  9:01       ` Raistlin
2010-07-10 10:28         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-07-10 14:49           ` Raistlin
2010-07-11  6:42         ` Bjoern Brandenburg
2010-08-03  9:41           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-04  3:52             ` Andrea Bastoni
2010-08-04  7:14               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-04  5:18             ` Bjoern Brandenburg
2010-08-03  9:46           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-04  3:53             ` Andrea Bastoni
2010-08-04  5:02             ` Bjoern Brandenburg
2010-07-10  7:08     ` Raistlin
2010-07-11  6:46       ` Bjoern Brandenburg
2010-08-03  8:16         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-03 11:42           ` Gregory Haskins
2010-08-04  6:30           ` Bjoern Brandenburg
2010-07-09 14:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-07-10  7:11   ` Luca Abeni
2010-07-10 10:36     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-07-11  6:12       ` Bjoern Brandenburg
2010-07-09 14:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-07-10  9:14   ` Raistlin
2010-07-10 17:19   ` Harald Gustafsson
2010-07-10 18:31     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-07-10 20:08       ` Harald Gustafsson
2010-07-10 21:52         ` Raistlin
2010-07-11  5:41           ` Harald Gustafsson
2010-07-11  7:32         ` Bjoern Brandenburg
2010-07-12 10:21           ` Harald Gustafsson
2010-08-04  5:55             ` Bjoern Brandenburg
2010-08-02 19:34           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-04  4:44             ` Bjoern Brandenburg
2010-07-09 14:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-07-10  7:50   ` Raistlin
2010-07-10 15:11     ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2010-07-10 17:29       ` Harald Gustafsson
2010-07-11  6:15     ` Bjoern Brandenburg
2010-07-10  7:09 ` Luca Abeni
2010-07-10  9:20   ` Raistlin

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