From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from 93-97-173-237.zone5.bethere.co.uk ([93.97.173.237] helo=tim.rpsys.net) by linuxtogo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ofdb6-0005Eu-85 for openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2010 20:49:25 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tim.rpsys.net (8.13.6/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o71Imvxb000797 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2010 19:48:57 +0100 Received: from tim.rpsys.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (tim.rpsys.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 32713-09 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2010 19:48:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from [192.168.3.10] ([192.168.3.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by tim.rpsys.net (8.13.6/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o71Imq4T000791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2010 19:48:52 +0100 From: Richard Purdie To: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org In-Reply-To: <4C557F47.2080901@balister.org> References: <4C516EF8.3080804@balister.org> <1280617976.1297.85.camel@rex> <4C557F47.2080901@balister.org> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 19:48:44 +0100 Message-ID: <1280688524.1297.105.camel@rex> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rpsys.net X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 93.97.173.237 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: rpurdie@rpsys.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on discovery X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_DYNAMIC, TVD_RCVD_IP autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:20:07 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on linuxtogo.org) Subject: Re: OE recipe tree quality X-BeenThere: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org List-Id: Using the OpenEmbedded metadata to build Distributions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 18:49:30 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sun, 2010-08-01 at 10:05 -0400, Philip Balister wrote: > On 07/31/2010 07:12 PM, Richard Purdie wrote: > > On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 10:34 +0200, Frans Meulenbroeks wrote: > >> 2010/7/30 Koen Kooi > >>> On 30-07-10 09:21, Esben Haabendal wrote: > >>>> On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Philip Balister > >>> wrote: > >>>>> On 07/29/2010 05:45 AM, Koen Kooi wrote: > > > >>>>>> I would actually advocate removing the 'world' feature from bitbake/OE > >>>>>> to stop people from wasting time on looking at bitbake world and have > >>>>>> them fix actual problems. > >>>>> > >>>>> bitbake world seems to be the source of pointless listserv discussions. > >>> Does > >>>>> it serve any purpose? > >>>> > >>>> Pointless or not really depends on how you look at quality. > >>>> > >>>> If you look at it as you, Koen and other OE long-timers, yes, it looks > >>>> rather pointless to have bitbake world. > >>>> But for those of us who have a different view on what quality is, then > >>>> bitbake world serves a purpose. > >>> > >>> As Thomas points out, as soon as you start blacklisting things (which > >>> actually increases quality), bitbake world doesn't work anymore. > >> > >> Blacklisting does *NOT* increase quality. It just hides the problem and as > >> such it is ostrich behaviour. > >> > >> Instead of masking the problem, better fix things. That is what improves > >> quality! > >> > >> For me a non building recipe is a sign of poor quality. > >> > >> BTW: to avoid the blacklisting issue, I've restarted my test with minimal > >> distro. > >> Results will probably be available after the weekend. > > > > "world" is used by Poky quite successfully. In Poky we expect everything > > to build with a known list of things that don't. Our aim is to have that > > list consisting of zero items and I intend to see that happens :). > > But Poky operates under different conditions than the main OE meta-data. > Since you more focus on what Poky builds, you do not need to support the > variety of recipes in the OE meta-data. Totally. I was mainly responding to the "world is useless, we should remove it" comment and also showing that blacklists are used by others too, in general with success. Cheers, Richard