From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1755528Ab0IFSPz (ORCPT ); Mon, 6 Sep 2010 14:15:55 -0400 Received: from casper.infradead.org ([85.118.1.10]:34856 "EHLO casper.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1755486Ab0IFSPn convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Mon, 6 Sep 2010 14:15:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [PATCHv11 2.6.36-rc2-tip 5/15] 5: uprobes: Uprobes (un)registration and exception handling. From: Peter Zijlstra To: Srikar Dronamraju Cc: Ingo Molnar , Steven Rostedt , Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo , Linus Torvalds , Christoph Hellwig , Masami Hiramatsu , Oleg Nesterov , Mark Wielaard , Mathieu Desnoyers , Andrew Morton , Naren A Devaiah , Jim Keniston , Frederic Weisbecker , "Frank Ch. Eigler" , Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli , LKML , "Paul E. McKenney" , Srivatsa Vaddagiri In-Reply-To: <20100906174642.GG14891@linux.vnet.ibm.com> References: <20100825134117.5447.55209.sendpatchset@localhost6.localdomain6> <20100825134224.5447.89998.sendpatchset@localhost6.localdomain6> <1283377414.2059.1729.camel@laptop> <20100903164219.GB1904@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <1283534349.2050.297.camel@laptop> <20100906174642.GG14891@linux.vnet.ibm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 20:15:22 +0200 Message-ID: <1283796922.1930.736.camel@laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Mon, 2010-09-06 at 23:16 +0530, Srikar Dronamraju wrote: > * Peter Zijlstra [2010-09-03 19:19:09]: > > > > > > > However I would have an issue with making inode based probing the > > > default. > > > 1. Making all probing based on inode can be a performance hog. > > > > How so? You can add filters if you want. > > The breakpoint exception and singlestep account for a substaintial > time > of the uprobes probe handling. With increasing number of breakpoint > hits and singlesteps, wouldnt the overall load increase? > You're really not getting it, are you? No, it would result in the exact same amount of actual breakpoints hit. > > > > > 2. Since unlike kernel space, every process has a different space, so > > > why would we have to insert breakpoints in each of its process space if > > > we are not interested in them. > > > > You don't have to, but you can. The problem I have with this stuff is > > that it makes the pid thing a primary interface, whereas it should be > > one of many filter possibilities. > > I think the otherway, > Why instrument a process and filter it out, if we are not interested in it. > While instrumenting kernel, we dont have this flexibility. So > having a pid based filter is the right thing to do for kernel > based tracing. > > If we can get the per process based tracing right, we can build > higher lever stuff including the file based tracing easily. Creating inode based probes on top of pid based probes is terribly ugly. > Just to clarify, I am not looking at probing per task > but probing per process. So the pid field in uprobe refers to the > tgid. Urgh,.. I really oppose the whole pid-centric thing, if that means process wide and not per task its even worse.