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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
Cc: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Subject: Re: mmotm threatens ppc preemption again
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 12:50:07 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1300672207.2402.205.camel@pasglop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LSU.2.00.1103201814320.7035@sister.anvils>

On Sun, 2011-03-20 at 18:41 -0700, Hugh Dickins wrote:
> > I don't know what the right way to fix that is. We have an absolute
> > requirement that the batching we start within a lazy MMU section
> > is complete and flushed before any other PTE in that section can be
> > touched by anything else. Do we -at least- keep that guarantee ?
> 
> I'm guessing it's a guarantee of the same kind as led me to skip
> page_table_lock on init_mm in 2.6.15: no locking to guarantee it,
> but it would have to be a kernel bug, in a driver or wherever,
> for us to be accessing such a section while it was in transit
> (short of speculative access prior to tlb flush).

As long as the races to avoid are between map/unmap vs. access, yes, it
-should- be fine, and we used to not do demand faulting on kernel space
(but for how long ?). I'm wondering why we don't just stick a ptl in
there or is there a good reason why we can't ?

> I don't see where you're doing batching on init_mm today:
> it looks as if Jeremy's patches, by using the same code as he has
> for user mms, are now enabling batching on init_mm, and you should :-)
> 
> But I may be all wrong: it's between you and Jeremy,
> and until he defends them, his patches should not go forward. 

We don't do it today (batching). Jeremy's patches have the side effect
of "enabling" it, which isn't wrong per-se ... but on our side relies on
some locking assumptions we are missing.

Cheers,
Ben.

  reply	other threads:[~2011-03-21  1:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-03-20  4:11 mmotm threatens ppc preemption again Hugh Dickins
2011-03-20 23:53 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-03-21  1:41   ` Hugh Dickins
2011-03-21  1:50     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2011-03-21  2:20       ` Hugh Dickins
2011-03-21  2:22         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-03-30 20:53           ` Andrew Morton
2011-03-30 21:07             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2011-03-31  0:52               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-03-31 17:21                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2011-03-31 20:38                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-05-18 23:29                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2011-03-21 11:24   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2011-03-21 22:52     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-03-22 13:34       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge

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