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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Robert Richter <robert.richter@amd.com>,
	Stephane Eranian <eranian@google.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/4] perf, x86: Fix event scheduler to solve complex scheduling problems
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 10:53:32 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1303030412.2035.52.camel@laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110417081827.GC29733@elte.hu>

On Sun, 2011-04-17 at 10:18 +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * Robert Richter <robert.richter@amd.com> wrote:
> 
> > > I'd really prefer not to do this for .39, and I'll have to sit down and 
> > > actually read this code. It looks like we went from O(n^2) to O(n!) or 
> > > somesuch, also not much of an improvement. I'll have to analyze the solver 
> > > to see what it does for 'simple' constraints set to see if it will indeed 
> > > be more expensive than the O(n^2) solver we had.
> > 
> > It wont be more expensive, if there is a solution. But if there is no one we 
> > walk all possible ways now which is something like O(n!).
> 
> So with 6 counters it would be a loop of 720, with 8 counters a loop of 40320, 
> with 10 counters a loop of 3628800 ... O(n!) is not fun.

Right, and we'll hit this case at least once when scheduling a
over-committed system. Intel Sandy Bridge can have 8 counters per core +
3 fixed counters, giving an n=11 situation. You do _NOT_ want to have
one 39916800 cycle loop before we determine the PMU isn't schedulable,
that's simply unacceptable.

There's a fine point between maximum PMU utilization and acceptable
performance here, and an O(n!) algorithm is really not acceptable. If
you can find a polynomial algorithm that improves the AMD-F15 situation
we can talk.

As it stands I'm tempted to have AMD suffer its terrible PMU design
decisions, if you want this fixed, fix the silicon.


  reply	other threads:[~2011-04-17  8:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-04-16  0:27 [PATCH 0/4] perf, x86: Fixes for v2.6.39 Robert Richter
2011-04-16  0:27 ` [PATCH 1/4] perf, x86: Fix pre-defined cache-misses event for AMD family 15h cpus Robert Richter
2011-04-19 12:03   ` [tip:perf/urgent] " tip-bot for Andre Przywara
2011-04-16  0:27 ` [PATCH 2/4] perf, x86: Fix AMD family 15h FPU event constraints Robert Richter
2011-04-19 12:04   ` [tip:perf/urgent] " tip-bot for Robert Richter
2011-04-16  0:27 ` [PATCH 3/4] perf, x86: Use ALTERNATIVE() to check for X86_FEATURE_PERFCTR_CORE Robert Richter
2011-04-18 20:00   ` Andi Kleen
2011-04-19 10:39     ` Robert Richter
2011-04-19 18:21       ` Andi Kleen
2011-04-19 12:04   ` [tip:perf/core] " tip-bot for Robert Richter
2011-04-16  0:27 ` [PATCH 4/4] perf, x86: Fix event scheduler to solve complex scheduling problems Robert Richter
2011-04-16  8:51   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-16  9:43     ` Ingo Molnar
2011-04-16 10:08       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-16 10:14         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-04-16 10:15           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-16 14:26         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-04-17  8:15     ` Robert Richter
2011-04-17  8:18       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-04-17  8:53         ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2011-04-17 11:23           ` Robert Richter
2011-04-18  8:17             ` Robert Richter
2011-04-16 15:52   ` Stephane Eranian
2011-04-17  8:44     ` Robert Richter
2011-04-17  9:05       ` Stephane Eranian
2011-04-19 10:26   ` [PATCH v2] perf, x86: Fix event scheduler for constraints with overlapping counters Robert Richter
2011-04-19 11:29     ` Ingo Molnar
2011-04-19 13:55       ` Robert Richter
2011-04-28  9:50         ` Robert Richter
2011-05-18 21:16     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-05-18 21:20       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-18 21:36         ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-05-19 10:49           ` Robert Richter
2011-05-19 18:06           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-20  3:18             ` Robert Richter
2011-09-01 12:56               ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-09-01 14:12                 ` Robert Richter
2011-09-01 16:37                   ` Peter Zijlstra

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