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From: Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>
To: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux Kernel Developers List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	w@1wt.eu, ewust@umich.edu, zakir@umich.edu, greg@kroah.com,
	nadiah@cs.ucsd.edu, jhalderm@umich.edu, tglx@linutronix.de,
	davem@davemloft.net, stable@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/10] random: make 'add_interrupt_randomness()' do something sane
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 14:15:46 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1341861346.23136.69.camel@calx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120706165257.GD10798@thunk.org>

On Fri, 2012-07-06 at 12:52 -0400, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 06, 2012 at 09:24:00AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 6:01 AM, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> wrote:
> > > What in the world is "fast count"?  I've grepped for it,
> > > and I can't find it.
> > 
> > It's your own fast-pool counter that Matt was talking about.
> 
> When he said "check it against HZ", it confused me, since there's no
> way to compare it against HZ.  But yes, I can certainly not give any
> credit for entropy if __IRQF_TIMER is set, or keep track of whether
> the previous interrupt had __IRQF_TIMER set in its descriptor.  That's
> simple enough.
> 
> I thought he was saying there was some way to distinguish between
> interrupts triggered by the clock interrupt versus other devices on
> the same irq channel --- and I couldn't figure out any to do that in
> an architecture independent way.

Sorry.. offline for the weekend.

Let me restate:

- on some architectures, we will call into the RNG on timer interrupts
- this is generally desirable, as most time sources are asynchronous to
sched_clock() and thus a source of entropy
- we also want to keep conditional checks like IRQF_TIMER off the fast
path
- but on systems where the timer interrupt is the primary time source,
we may get effectively no entropy when the system is quiescent
- so we should check the fast pool count against HZ before crediting
- but even then, we still should mix the fast pool

Something like:

add_some_randomness(...) /* always mix */
if (fast_pool->count > HZ) {
  fast_pool->count = 0;
  credit_entropy_pool(...); /* only credit when we've got > HZ events */
}

That should be safe on all systems.

-- 
Mathematics is the supreme nostalgia of our time.



  reply	other threads:[~2012-07-09 19:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-07-05 18:12 [PATCH 00/10] /dev/random fixups Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 18:12 ` [PATCH 01/10] random: make 'add_interrupt_randomness()' do something sane Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 18:47   ` Matt Mackall
2012-07-05 18:52     ` Linus Torvalds
2012-07-05 21:39       ` Matt Mackall
2012-07-05 21:47         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-07-05 22:00           ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 22:21             ` Linus Torvalds
2012-07-05 22:31               ` Matt Mackall
2012-07-05 22:35                 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-07-05 23:21                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-06  2:59                   ` Linus Torvalds
2012-07-06 13:01                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-06 16:24                       ` Linus Torvalds
2012-07-06 16:52                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-09 19:15                           ` Matt Mackall [this message]
2012-07-25 18:43                         ` Thomas Gleixner
     [not found]   ` <CAGsuqq2MWuFnY7PMb_2ddBNNJr80xB_JW+Wryq3mhhmQuEojpg@mail.gmail.com>
2012-07-06 21:59     ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 18:12 ` [PATCH 02/10] random: use lockless techniques when mixing entropy pools Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 18:18   ` Linus Torvalds
2012-07-05 18:19   ` Greg KH
2012-07-05 23:09     ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 19:10   ` Matt Mackall
2012-07-05 19:47     ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 20:45       ` Matt Mackall
2012-07-05 18:12 ` [PATCH 03/10] random: create add_device_randomness() interface Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 18:12 ` [PATCH 04/10] usb: feed USB device information to the /dev/random driver Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 18:12 ` [PATCH 05/10] net: feed /dev/random with the MAC address when registering a device Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 18:12 ` [PATCH 06/10] random: use the arch-specific rng in xfer_secondary_pool Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 18:49   ` Linus Torvalds
2012-07-05 18:12 ` [PATCH 07/10] random: add new get_random_bytes_arch() function Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 18:35   ` Linus Torvalds
2012-07-05 19:50     ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 21:45     ` Matt Mackall
2012-07-25  3:37   ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-07-25  7:22     ` Ingo Molnar
2012-07-25 15:10     ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-25 15:19       ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-07-25 17:37       ` [PATCH] random: mix in architectural randomness in extract_buf() H. Peter Anvin
2012-07-25 23:50         ` Ben Hutchings
2012-07-26  0:32           ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-07-28  2:39         ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-28  2:48           ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-07-26  3:16       ` [PATCH 07/10] random: add new get_random_bytes_arch() function H. Peter Anvin
2012-07-26  3:24         ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-07-05 18:12 ` [PATCH 08/10] random: unify mix_pool_bytes() and mix_pool_bytes_entropy() Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 18:12 ` [PATCH 09/10] random: add tracepoints for easier debugging and verification Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-05 18:12 ` [PATCH 10/10] MAINTAINERS: Theodore Ts'o is taking over the random driver Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-06 11:40 ` [PATCH 00/10] /dev/random fixups Fengguang Wu
2012-07-06 12:44   ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-20 20:15 ` [PATCH] dmi: Feed DMI table to /dev/random driver Tony Luck
2012-07-20 21:03   ` Matt Mackall
2012-07-21  0:56   ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-21  1:19     ` Tony Luck
2012-07-21  2:02       ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-07-23 16:47         ` [PATCH] random: Add comment to random_initialize() Tony Luck

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