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From: Huang Ying <ying.huang@intel.com>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [BUGFIX] PM: Fix active child counting when disabled and forbidden
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:08:28 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1352855308.7176.232.camel@yhuang-dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1211131102330.1292-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>

On Tue, 2012-11-13 at 11:10 -0500, Alan Stern wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012, Huang Ying wrote:
> 
> > > This is not quite right.  Consider a device that is in runtime suspend 
> > > when a system sleep starts.  When the system sleep ends, the device 
> > > will be resumed but the PM core will still think its state is 
> > > SUSPENDED.  The subsystem has to tell the PM core that the device is 
> > > now ACTIVE.  Currently, subsystems do this by calling 
> > > pm_runtime_disable, pm_runtime_set_active, pm_runtime_enable.  Under 
> > > your scheme this wouldn't work; the pm_runtime_set_active call would 
> > > fail because the device was !forbidden.
> > 
> > Thanks for your information.  For this specific situation, is it
> > possible to call pm_runtime_resume() or pm_request_resume() for the
> > device?
> 
> No, because the device already is at full power.  The subsystem just
> needs to tell the PM core that it is.
> 
> > > > PM.  Device can always work with full power.
> > > 
> > > It can't if the parent is in SUSPEND.  If necessary, the user can write 
> > > "on" to the parent's power/control attribute first.
> > 
> > Is it possible to call pm_runtime_set_active() for the parent if the
> > parent is disabled and SUSPENDED.
> 
> Doing that is possible, but it might not work.  The parent might
> actually be at low power; calling pm_runtime_set_active wouldn't change
> the physical power level.  Basically, it's not safe to assume anything
> about devices that are disabled for runtime PM.
> 
> > It appears that there is race condition between this and the
> > pm_runtime_disable, pm_runtime_set_active, pm_runtime_enable sequence
> > you mentioned ealier.
> > 
> > thread 1			thread 2
> > pm_runtime_disable
> > pm_runtime_set_active
> > 				pm_runtime_allow
> > 				  pm_runtime_set_suspended
> > pm_runtime_enable
> 
> This can't happen in the situation I described earlier because during
> system sleep transitions, no other user threads are allowed to run.  
> All of them except the one actually carrying out the transition are
> frozen.

Thanks for your kind explanation.

After talking with you, my feeling is that the disabled state is obscure
and error-prone.  So I suggest not to use it if possible.  Maybe we can

 - make changes suggested by Alan to make disabled state better.
 - use Rafael's solution to solve this specific issue, and avoid the
usage of disabled state here.

Best Regards,
Huang Ying



  reply	other threads:[~2012-11-14  1:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-11-05  1:17 [BUGFIX] PM: Fix active child counting when disabled and forbidden Huang Ying
2012-11-05  1:56 ` Alan Stern
2012-11-05  1:56   ` Alan Stern
2012-11-06  0:43   ` Huang Ying
2012-11-06 15:17     ` Alan Stern
2012-11-06 15:17       ` Alan Stern
2012-11-07  0:26       ` Huang Ying
2012-11-07 15:49         ` Alan Stern
2012-11-07 15:49           ` Alan Stern
2012-11-07 16:09           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-07 17:17             ` Alan Stern
2012-11-07 17:17               ` Alan Stern
2012-11-07 20:21               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-07 20:47                 ` Alan Stern
2012-11-07 20:47                   ` Alan Stern
2012-11-07 21:44                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-07 21:56                     ` Alan Stern
2012-11-07 21:56                       ` Alan Stern
2012-11-07 22:51                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-07 23:09                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-08  1:15                           ` Huang Ying
2012-11-08  1:35                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-08  2:04                               ` Huang Ying
2012-11-08  9:56                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-08 17:07                                   ` Alan Stern
2012-11-08 17:07                                     ` Alan Stern
2012-11-09  2:36                                     ` Huang Ying
2012-11-09 16:41                                       ` Alan Stern
2012-11-09 16:41                                         ` Alan Stern
2012-11-12  0:37                                         ` Huang Ying
2012-11-12  2:36                                           ` Alan Stern
2012-11-12  2:36                                             ` Alan Stern
2012-11-12  5:55                                             ` Huang Ying
2012-11-12 16:32                                               ` Alan Stern
2012-11-12 16:32                                                 ` Alan Stern
2012-11-13  1:19                                                 ` Huang Ying
2012-11-13  2:32                                                   ` Alan Stern
2012-11-13  2:32                                                     ` Alan Stern
2012-11-13  5:12                                                     ` Huang Ying
2012-11-13 16:10                                                       ` Alan Stern
2012-11-13 16:10                                                         ` Alan Stern
2012-11-14  1:08                                                         ` Huang Ying [this message]
2012-11-14  9:52                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-14 13:35                                                             ` Huang Ying
2012-11-14 16:06                                                               ` Alan Stern
2012-11-14 16:06                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2012-11-13 23:43                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-14 10:05                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-14 16:42                                       ` Alan Stern
2012-11-14 16:42                                         ` Alan Stern
2012-11-14 19:42                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-14 21:45                                           ` Alan Stern
2012-11-14 21:45                                             ` Alan Stern
2012-11-14 23:10                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-15  1:03                                               ` Huang Ying
2012-11-15  9:51                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-15 10:09                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-15 15:27                                                     ` Alan Stern
2012-11-15 15:27                                                       ` Alan Stern
2012-11-16  0:36                                                   ` Huang Ying
2012-11-16  0:44                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-16  0:48                                                       ` Huang Ying
2012-11-16  0:55                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-16  0:54                                                         ` Huang Ying
2012-11-16  1:29                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-16  1:27                                                             ` Huang Ying
2012-11-16 10:10                                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2012-11-16  3:11                                                   ` Huang Ying

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