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From: Gao Xiang <hsiangkao@linux.alibaba.com>
To: Dave Chinner <dgc@kernel.org>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: Tal Zussman <tz2294@columbia.edu>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	"Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)" <willy@infradead.org>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	"Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
	Carlos Maiolino <cem@kernel.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Bart Van Assche <bvanassche@acm.org>,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Sandeep Dhavale <dhavale@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 8/8] RFC: use a TASK_FIFO kthread for read completion support
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2026 07:53:49 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <136497e1-ba93-465f-84cd-e07eba110978@linux.alibaba.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7f0d072b-97a7-405f-bff5-d3819de2e3dd@linux.alibaba.com>



On 2026/4/11 07:44, Gao Xiang wrote:
> 
> 
> On 2026/4/11 06:11, Dave Chinner wrote:
>> On Thu, Apr 09, 2026 at 06:02:21PM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
>>> Commit 3fffb589b9a6 ("erofs: add per-cpu threads for decompression as an
>>> option") explains why workqueue aren't great for low-latency completion
>>> handling.  Switch to a per-cpu kthread to handle it instead.  This code
>>> is based on the erofs code in the above commit, but further simplified
>>> by directly using a kthread instead of a kthread_work.
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
>>
>> Can we please not go back to the (bad) old days of individual
>> subsystems needing their own set of per-cpu kernel tasks just
>> sitting around idle most of of the time?  The whole point of the
>> workqueue infrastructure was to get rid of this widely repeated
>> anti-pattern.
>>
>> If there's a latency problem with workqueue scheduling, then we
>> should be fixing that problem rather than working around it in every
>> subsystem that thinkgs it has a workqueue scheduling latency
>> issue...
> 
> It has been "fixed" but never actually get fixed:
> https://lore.kernel.org/r/CAB=BE-QaNBn1cVK6c7LM2cLpH_Ck_9SYw-YDYEnNrtwfoyu81Q@mail.gmail.com
> 
> and workqueues don't have any plan to introduce RT threads;
> 
> If Sandeep has more time, I hope he could have more time to
> test since I don't work on Android anymore: In principle,
> I still think RT thread is needed somewhere for such usage
> since lowest latencies is needed.
> 
> Compared to the scheduling latency issues, interested users
> don't care "individual subsystems needing their own set of
> per-cpu kernel tasks just sitting around idle most of of
> the time". If end users care it more, they can just turn
> it off by Kconfig.
> 
> If you think it's unclean to block subsystems, I'm fine to
> leave it as-is.  I'm not sure how it impacts to others:
> either some subsystems implement RT threads (workqueue or
> block), or leave it as-is; Otherwise there is always such

^ Implement dedicated queues somewhere using
sched_set_fifo_low() for such latency-sensitive work.

> latency issues and unacceptable for end users.
> 
> Thanks,
> Gao Xiang
> 
> 
>>
>> -Dave.
>>
> 


  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-10 23:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-09 16:02 bio completion in task enhancements / experiments Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-09 16:02 ` [PATCH 1/8] block: add BIO_COMPLETE_IN_TASK for task-context completion Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-09 16:02 ` [PATCH 2/8] iomap: use BIO_COMPLETE_IN_TASK for dropbehind writeback Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-09 16:02 ` [PATCH 3/8] block: enable RWF_DONTCACHE for block devices Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-09 16:02 ` [PATCH 4/8] FOLD: block: change the defer in task context interface to be procedural Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-09 20:18   ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-04-10  6:17     ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-10 13:26       ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-04-15  5:44         ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-15 14:30           ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-04-09 16:02 ` [PATCH 5/8] FOLD: don't use in_task() to decide for offloading Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-09 16:02 ` [PATCH 6/8] iomap: use bio_complete_in_task for buffered read errors Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-14 18:30   ` Tal Zussman
2026-04-09 16:02 ` [PATCH 7/8] iomap: use bio_complete_in_task for buffered write completions Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-09 16:02 ` [PATCH 8/8] RFC: use a TASK_FIFO kthread for read completion support Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-09 19:06   ` Tal Zussman
2026-04-10  6:19     ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-10 22:11   ` Dave Chinner
2026-04-10 23:44     ` Gao Xiang
2026-04-10 23:53       ` Gao Xiang [this message]
2026-04-14  0:58       ` Dave Chinner
2026-04-14  2:23         ` Gao Xiang
2026-04-15  5:55           ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-15  6:05             ` Gao Xiang
2026-04-15  6:30             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-04-15  6:59               ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-15 12:49           ` Sandeep Dhavale
2026-04-15  8:28         ` David Laight
2026-04-15  5:48     ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-15  5:50       ` Christoph Hellwig

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