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From: Marcel Apfelbaum <marcel.a@redhat.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: Hu Tao <hutao@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] pvpanic device should not be automatically included as an internal device
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2013 19:39:44 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1375375184.4891.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130801133214.GA15659@redhat.com>

On Thu, 2013-08-01 at 16:32 +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 01, 2013 at 04:08:57PM +0300, Marcel Apfelbaum wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > The problem with pvpanic being an internal device is that VMs running
> > operating systems without a driver for this device will have problems
> > when qemu will be upgraded (from qemu without this pvpanic).
> > 
> > The outcome may be, for example: in Windows(let's say XP) the Device manager
> > will open a "new device" wizard and the device will appear as an unrecognized device.
> > Now what will happen on a cluster with hundreds of such VMs? If that cluster has a health
> > monitoring service it may show all the VMs in a "not healthy" state.
> > 
> > My point is that a device that requires a driver that is not "inbox", should not
> > be present by default.
> > One possible solution is to add it manually with -device from command line.
> > 
> > Any thoughts?
> > Marcel
> 
> Interesting. You are basically saying we should have a rule
> that no new builtin devices should be added
> without an explicit request from management interface?

Basically, yes.
The only builtin devices shall be devices that the operating systems
know how to handle with the default drivers.
Marcel

> 
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2013-08-01 23:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-01 13:08 [Qemu-devel] pvpanic device should not be automatically included as an internal device Marcel Apfelbaum
2013-08-01 13:32 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-01 16:39   ` Marcel Apfelbaum [this message]
2013-08-01 14:18 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-08-01 16:26   ` Eric Blake
2013-08-01 16:31     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-01 16:41       ` Marcel Apfelbaum
2013-08-01 22:23     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-01 22:42       ` Eric Blake
2013-08-02  8:31         ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-02  9:24           ` Daniel P. Berrange
2013-08-02  7:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH for-1.6 1/2] don't create pvpanic device by default Hu Tao
2013-08-02  8:27   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-11 10:33     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-11 14:45       ` Andreas Färber
2013-08-11 15:12         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-11 15:16         ` Marcel Apfelbaum
2013-08-02  7:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH for-1.6 2/2] pvpanic: make pvpanic known to user Hu Tao
2013-08-02 12:20   ` Andreas Färber

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