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From: Marcel Apfelbaum <marcel.a@redhat.com>
To: Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>
Cc: aliguori@us.ibm.com, gleb@redhat.com, mst@redhat.com,
	hutao@cn.fujitsu.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org, vrozenfe@redhat.com,
	pbonzini@redhat.com, afaerber@suse.de, kraxel@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH for-1.6 V2 0/2] pvpanic: Separate pvpanic from machine type
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 19:26:40 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1376324800.10576.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <52090505.1010802@redhat.com>

On Mon, 2013-08-12 at 09:53 -0600, Eric Blake wrote:
> On 08/11/2013 09:10 AM, Marcel Apfelbaum wrote:
> > Creating the pvpanic device as part of the machine type has the
> > potential to trigger guest OS, guest firmware and driver bugs.
> > The potential of such was originally viewed as minimal.
> > However, since releasing 1.5 with pvpanic as part
> > of the builtin machine type, several issues were observed
> > in the field:
> >  - Some Windows versions triggered 'New Hardware Wizard' and
> >    an unidentified device appeared in Device Manager.
> >  - Issue reported off list: on Linux >= 3.10
> >    the pvpanic driver breaks the reset on crash option:
> >    VM stops instead of being reset.
> > 
> > pvpanic device also changes monitor command behaviour in some cases,
> > such silent incompatible changes aren't expected by management tools:
> >  - Monitor command requires 'cont' before 'system_reset'
> >    in order to restart the VM after kernel panic/BSOD 
> > 
> > Note that libvirt is the main user and libvirt people indicated their
> > preference to creating device with -device pvpanic rather than a
> > built-in one that can't be removed.
> > 
> > These issues were raised at last KVM call. The agreement reached
> > there was that we were a bit too rash to make the device
> > a builtin, and that for 1.6 we should drop the pvpanic device from the
> > default machine type, instead teach management tools to add it by
> > default using -device pvpanic.
> > It's not clear whether changing 1.5 behaviour at this point
> > is a sane thing, so this patchset doesn't touch 1.5 machine type.
> 
> Thanks for doing this; it makes sense to get this in for 1.6.  From the
> libvirt point of view:
Eric, my pleasure!
And I really think that using "-device pvpanic" is the right thing to to do.
Marcel

> 
> Series: Reviewed-by: Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2013-08-12 16:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-11 15:10 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH for-1.6 V2 0/2] pvpanic: Separate pvpanic from machine type Marcel Apfelbaum
2013-08-11 15:10 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH for-1.6 V2 1/2] hw/misc: don't create pvpanic device by default Marcel Apfelbaum
2013-08-12  3:06   ` Hu Tao
2013-08-12 15:59   ` Andreas Färber
2013-08-13 11:26   ` Markus Armbruster
2013-08-11 15:10 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH for-1.6 V2 2/2] hw/misc: make pvpanic known to user Marcel Apfelbaum
2013-08-12  3:07   ` Hu Tao
2013-08-12 15:53 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH for-1.6 V2 0/2] pvpanic: Separate pvpanic from machine type Eric Blake
2013-08-12 16:26   ` Marcel Apfelbaum [this message]
2013-08-14  7:02 ` Ronen Hod
2013-08-21  8:03   ` Marcel Apfelbaum
2013-08-21  8:18     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-21  9:42       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-21  9:56         ` Hu Tao
2013-08-21  9:59         ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-21 10:16           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-21 10:37             ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-14 16:27 ` Anthony Liguori

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