From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Matthew Garrett Subject: Re: Trusted kernel patchset for Secure Boot lockdown Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 21:31:55 +0000 Message-ID: <1394746314.27846.4.camel@x230> References: <1393445473-15068-1-git-send-email-matthew.garrett@nebula.com> <1394686919.25122.2.camel@x230> <1394726363.25122.16.camel@x230> <20140313212647.7412aadf@alan.etchedpixels.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Return-path: In-Reply-To: <20140313212647.7412aadf-mUKnrFFms3BCCTY1wZZT65JpZx93mCW/@public.gmane.org> Content-Language: en-US Content-ID: Sender: linux-efi-owner-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org To: "gnomes-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org" Cc: "linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org" , "jmorris-gx6/JNMH7DfYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org" , "keescook-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org" , "linux-security-module-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org" , "akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org" , "hpa-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org" , "jwboyer-rxtnV0ftBwyoClj4AeEUq9i2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org" , "linux-efi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org" , "gregkh-hQyY1W1yCW8ekmWlsbkhG0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org" List-Id: linux-efi@vger.kernel.org T24gVGh1LCAyMDE0LTAzLTEzIGF0IDIxOjI2ICswMDAwLCBPbmUgVGhvdXNhbmQgR25vbWVzIHdy b3RlOg0KPiA+IE9uIHRoZSBvdGhlciBoYW5kLCBkaXNhYmxpbmcgQ0FQX1NZU19SQVdJTyAqZGVm aW5pdGVseSogYnJlYWtzIGV4cGVjdGVkDQo+ID4gZnVuY3Rpb25hbGl0eSAtIGZpcm13YXJlIGxv YWRpbmcgYW5kIHRoZSBmaWJtYXAgaW9jdGwgYXJlIHByb2JhYmx5IHRoZQ0KPiA+IG1vc3Qgb2J2 aW91cy4gQW5kIGNoYW5naW5nIHRoZSB1c2Ugb2YgQ0FQX1NZU19SQVdJTyBwb3RlbnRpYWxseSBi cmVha3MNCj4gPiB1c2Vyc3BhY2UgZXhwZWN0YXRpb25zLCBzbyB3ZSdyZSBraW5kIG9mIHN0dWNr IHRoZXJlLg0KPiANCj4gQWN0dWFsbHkgSSBrbm93IGhvdyB0byBkZXNjcmliZSB0aGUgcHJvYmxl bSBiZXR0ZXIuDQo+IA0KPiBXaGl0ZWxpc3QgdiBCbGFja2xpc3QuDQo+IA0KPiBHb2luZyBhcm91 bmQgYWRkaW5nIGV4dHJhIGNhc2VzIGZvciBDQVBfU1lTX1JBV0lPIGlzIGEgZmFpbHMgaW5zZWN1 cmUNCj4gbW9kZWwuIEdvaW5nIGFyb3VuZCBhZGRpbmcgQ0FQX1NZU19SQVdJTyB8fCBDQVBfU1lT X1JBV0lPX1NFQyBpcyBhICdmYWlscw0KPiBzZWN1cmUnIGNhc2UuDQoNCldlJ3ZlIGFscmVhZHkg YmVlbiB0aHJvdWdoIHRoaXMuIFdlIGNhbid0IGFkZCBuZXcgY2FwYWJpbGl0aWVzLiBJdA0KYnJl YWtzIGV4aXN0aW5nIHVzZXJzcGFjZS4NCg0KLS0gDQpNYXR0aGV3IEdhcnJldHQgPG1hdHRoZXcu Z2FycmV0dEBuZWJ1bGEuY29tPg0K From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754213AbaCMVcA (ORCPT ); Thu, 13 Mar 2014 17:32:00 -0400 Received: from mail-bn1blp0182.outbound.protection.outlook.com ([207.46.163.182]:59292 "EHLO na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753093AbaCMVb6 (ORCPT ); Thu, 13 Mar 2014 17:31:58 -0400 From: Matthew Garrett To: "gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk" CC: "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" , "jmorris@namei.org" , "keescook@chromium.org" , "linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org" , "akpm@linux-foundation.org" , "hpa@zytor.com" , "jwboyer@fedoraproject.org" , "linux-efi@vger.kernel.org" , "gregkh@linuxfoundation.org" Subject: Re: Trusted kernel patchset for Secure Boot lockdown Thread-Topic: Trusted kernel patchset for Secure Boot lockdown Thread-Index: AQHPPwLwgdFEpLbAD0ahQ2OJgthmsZrfiUgA Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 21:31:55 +0000 Message-ID: <1394746314.27846.4.camel@x230> References: <1393445473-15068-1-git-send-email-matthew.garrett@nebula.com> <1394686919.25122.2.camel@x230> <1394726363.25122.16.camel@x230> <20140313212647.7412aadf@alan.etchedpixels.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20140313212647.7412aadf@alan.etchedpixels.co.uk> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [2001:470:1f07:1371:6267:20ff:fec3:2318] x-forefront-prvs: 01494FA7F7 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM;SFS:(10009001)(6009001)(428001)(51704005)(199002)(189002)(24454002)(377424004)(74366001)(56816005)(85852003)(90146001)(20776003)(83072002)(87936001)(79102001)(95416001)(63696002)(59766001)(92566001)(92726001)(94946001)(74502001)(93136001)(47446002)(46102001)(85306002)(83322001)(74662001)(81342001)(87266001)(69226001)(51856001)(49866001)(93516002)(31966008)(47736001)(50986001)(94316002)(86362001)(81816001)(76482001)(81686001)(76786001)(53806001)(33716001)(74706001)(74876001)(76796001)(77982001)(81542001)(2656002)(33646001)(97336001)(80976001)(19580405001)(4396001)(56776001)(97186001)(47976001)(19580395003)(95666003)(77096001)(65816001)(80022001)(54356001);DIR:OUT;SFP:1101;SCL:1;SRVR:BN1PR05MB123;H:BN1PR05MB423.namprd05.prod.outlook.com;FPR:C151FD86.FE2CF91.F16DA97E.58D5F075.20175;MLV:sfv;PTR:InfoNoRecords;A:1;MX:1;LANG:en; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: nebula.com Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by mail.home.local id s2DLW7U8012386 On Thu, 2014-03-13 at 21:26 +0000, One Thousand Gnomes wrote: > > On the other hand, disabling CAP_SYS_RAWIO *definitely* breaks expected > > functionality - firmware loading and the fibmap ioctl are probably the > > most obvious. And changing the use of CAP_SYS_RAWIO potentially breaks > > userspace expectations, so we're kind of stuck there. > > Actually I know how to describe the problem better. > > Whitelist v Blacklist. > > Going around adding extra cases for CAP_SYS_RAWIO is a fails insecure > model. Going around adding CAP_SYS_RAWIO || CAP_SYS_RAWIO_SEC is a 'fails > secure' case. We've already been through this. We can't add new capabilities. It breaks existing userspace. -- Matthew Garrett {.n++%ݶw{.n+{G{ayʇڙ,jfhz_(階ݢj"mG?&~iOzv^m ?I