From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Matthias Brugger Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 08:41:54 +0000 Subject: Re: [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: make linux-mediatek list remarks consistent Message-Id: <14193442-3b41-29f2-4380-e2cbcc00e5d4@gmail.com> List-Id: References: <20200914053110.23286-1-lukas.bulwahn@gmail.com> <9c5aaa15-bdd8-ae4f-0642-092566ab08ba@gmail.com> <7da64c0975c345f1f45034410c9ed7d509ba9831.camel@infradead.org> In-Reply-To: <7da64c0975c345f1f45034410c9ed7d509ba9831.camel@infradead.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: David Woodhouse , Lukas Bulwahn Cc: Ryder Lee , linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org, Ralf Ramsauer , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Joe Perches , linux-mediatek@lists.infradead.org, Bjorn Helgaas , Pia Eichinger On 14/09/2020 16:12, David Woodhouse wrote: > On Mon, 2020-09-14 at 16:01 +0200, Lukas Bulwahn wrote: >>>> I am not subscribed to linux-mediatek. When I sent an email to the lis= t, >>>> it showed up really seconds later in the lore.kernel.org of the >>>> linux-mediatek public-inbox repository. So, either it was delivered >>>> quickly as it is not moderated or my check with lore.kernel.org is wro= ng, >>>> e.g., mails show up in the lore.kernel.org archive, even they were not >>>> yet permitted on the actual list. >>>> >>> >>> I'm the moderator and I get requests to moderate emails. I suppose I ad= ded you >>> to the accepted list because of earlier emails you send. >>> >> >> Okay, I see. I did send some clean-up patch in the past, but I completely >> forgot that, but my mailbox did not forget. So, now it is clear to me why >> that mail showed up so quickly. >> >> Thanks for the explanation. >=20 > AFAICT the linux-mediatek list isn't configured to automatically > moderate messages from non-subscribers. Its generic_nonmember_action > setting is 'Accept'. That is the default setting for lists on > infradead.org and I strongly encourage list maintainers to leave it > that way. Ok, thanks for clarification. I never bothered too much with all the=20 configuration option of the list. :| >=20 > Lukas, I don't see your address in the allowlist either. I tried to find that in the web interface, but wasn't able to find the list. Regards, Matthias >=20 > There are other reasons why some messages get might trapped for > moderation =E2=80=94 the message size, number of recipients, spam score, = etc. >=20 > The mere fact that *some* messages are moderated does not mean that the > list is "moderated for non-subscribers" in the sense that the > MAINTAINERS file lists. >=20 >> Bjorn, with that confirmation and Reviewed-by from Matthias, could you >> please pick this patch? >=20 > I think we should be fixing the ones that *do* say it's moderated for > non-subscribers, not the one that correctly didn't :) >=20 From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.0 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,NICE_REPLY_A,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BDE5C433E2 for ; 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Tue, 15 Sep 2020 01:41:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ziggy.stardust ([213.195.113.201]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k8sm23349010wma.16.2020.09.15.01.41.54 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 15 Sep 2020 01:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: make linux-mediatek list remarks consistent To: David Woodhouse , Lukas Bulwahn Cc: Ryder Lee , Bjorn Helgaas , linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, linux-mediatek@lists.infradead.org, Ralf Ramsauer , Pia Eichinger , Joe Perches , kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org References: <20200914053110.23286-1-lukas.bulwahn@gmail.com> <9c5aaa15-bdd8-ae4f-0642-092566ab08ba@gmail.com> <7da64c0975c345f1f45034410c9ed7d509ba9831.camel@infradead.org> From: Matthias Brugger Message-ID: <14193442-3b41-29f2-4380-e2cbcc00e5d4@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 10:41:54 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7da64c0975c345f1f45034410c9ed7d509ba9831.camel@infradead.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: linux-pci-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-pci@vger.kernel.org On 14/09/2020 16:12, David Woodhouse wrote: > On Mon, 2020-09-14 at 16:01 +0200, Lukas Bulwahn wrote: >>>> I am not subscribed to linux-mediatek. When I sent an email to the list, >>>> it showed up really seconds later in the lore.kernel.org of the >>>> linux-mediatek public-inbox repository. So, either it was delivered >>>> quickly as it is not moderated or my check with lore.kernel.org is wrong, >>>> e.g., mails show up in the lore.kernel.org archive, even they were not >>>> yet permitted on the actual list. >>>> >>> >>> I'm the moderator and I get requests to moderate emails. I suppose I added you >>> to the accepted list because of earlier emails you send. >>> >> >> Okay, I see. I did send some clean-up patch in the past, but I completely >> forgot that, but my mailbox did not forget. So, now it is clear to me why >> that mail showed up so quickly. >> >> Thanks for the explanation. > > AFAICT the linux-mediatek list isn't configured to automatically > moderate messages from non-subscribers. Its generic_nonmember_action > setting is 'Accept'. That is the default setting for lists on > infradead.org and I strongly encourage list maintainers to leave it > that way. Ok, thanks for clarification. I never bothered too much with all the configuration option of the list. :| > > Lukas, I don't see your address in the allowlist either. I tried to find that in the web interface, but wasn't able to find the list. Regards, Matthias > > There are other reasons why some messages get might trapped for > moderation — the message size, number of recipients, spam score, etc. > > The mere fact that *some* messages are moderated does not mean that the > list is "moderated for non-subscribers" in the sense that the > MAINTAINERS file lists. > >> Bjorn, with that confirmation and Reviewed-by from Matthias, could you >> please pick this patch? > > I think we should be fixing the ones that *do* say it's moderated for > non-subscribers, not the one that correctly didn't :) >