From: Ian Campbell <ian.campbell@citrix.com>
To: Ian Jackson <Ian.Jackson@eu.citrix.com>, Wei Liu <wei.liu2@citrix.com>
Cc: jgross@suse.com, kevin.tian@intel.com, tamas@tklengyel.com,
keir@xen.org,
Stefano Stabellini <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com>,
Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
Dario Faggioli <dario.faggioli@citrix.com>,
tim@xen.org, Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>,
yang.z.zhang@intel.com, xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org,
boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com
Subject: Re: [URGENT RFC] Branching and reopening -unstable
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 13:51:37 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1439297497.9747.240.camel@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <21961.55495.487671.764076@mariner.uk.xensource.com>
On Tue, 2015-08-11 at 12:13 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Wei Liu writes ("[URGENT RFC] Branching and reopening -unstable"):
> > Branching should be done at one of the RC tags. It might not be enough
> > time for us to reach consensus before tagging RC1, so I would say lets
> > branch at RC2 if we don't observe blocker bugs.
> >
> > Maintainers should be responsible for both 4.6 branch and -unstable
> > branch.
> >
> > As for bug fixes, here are two options.
>
> I think this conflates the three questions which should be answered:
>
> Q1: What is the status of the newly branched -unstable ? Should
> we avoid (some or all) big sets of changes ?
> (a) Don't branch
> (b) Branch but don't allow /any/ big changes.
> Seems to make branching rather pointless.
> (c) Branch but allow /some/ big changes.
> Tree is `half open', which is not ideal.
> (d) Branch and allow /all/ changes.
>
> Q2: If we don't avoid such changes, and a bugfix has a conflict
> with a change in the new unstable, who is responsible for fixing
> it up ? Options include:
> (a) the relevant maintainers (double whammy for maintainers)
> (b) the submitter of the bugfix (very undesirable)
> (c) the submitter of the big set of changes (but what do
> we do if they don't respond?)
> (d) the stable tree maintainers (already ruled out, so included
> in this list for completeness; out of the question IMO)
>
> Q3: What workflow should we use, for bugfixes for bugs in 4.6-pre ?
> There are three options, not two:
>
> (a) Bugfixes go to 4.6 first, cherry pick to unstable
> This keeps our focus on 4.6, which is good.
>
> (b) Bugfixes go to 4.6 first, merge 4.6 to unstable.
> Not tenable if we have big changes in unstable.
>
> (c) Bugfixes to to unstable, cherry pick to 4.6.
> Undesirable IMO because it shifts focus to unstable.
FWIW I think historically we have always done (c) here. That's not to say
we shouldn't change but thought it worth noting.
> Of these 2(c)/3(a) would be ideal but we don't have a good answer to
> the problem posted in Q2(c). I think that leaves us with 2(a):
> maintainers have to deal with the fallout.
>
> That makes 1(d) untenable in my view. As a maintainer, I do not want
> that additional workload. That leaves us with 1(a) or 1(c)/2(a)/3(a).
>
> With 1(c), who should decide on a particular series ? Well, who is
> taking the risk ? The maintainer, who will have to pick up the
> pieces. I therefore conclude, we have two options:
>
> A "1(a)/-/-"
>
> Do not branch yet: defer divergence until the risk of bugfixes is
> much lower.
>
> B "1(c)(maintainer)/2(a)/3(a)"
>
> Branch.
>
> Maintainers may choose to defer patch series based on risk of
> conflicts with bugfixes required for 4.6. Clear communication with
> submitters is required.
>
> Bugfixes for bugs in 4.6 will be accepted onto the 4.6 branch.
> Maintainers are required to cherry pick them onto unstable.
>
> Bugfixes will not be accepted for unstable unless it is clear that
> the bug was introduced in unstable since 4.6 branched.
>
> I am happy with B because it gives the relevant maintainers the
> option.
>
> Ian.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-08-11 12:51 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-08-11 10:44 [URGENT RFC] Branching and reopening -unstable Wei Liu
2015-08-11 11:13 ` Ian Jackson
2015-08-11 12:36 ` Lars Kurth
2015-08-11 12:51 ` Ian Campbell [this message]
2015-08-11 12:55 ` Andrew Cooper
2015-08-11 13:23 ` Ian Campbell
2015-08-11 13:13 ` Stefano Stabellini
2015-08-27 14:42 ` George Dunlap
2015-09-02 16:40 ` Lars Kurth
2015-08-11 12:31 ` Wei Liu
2015-08-17 18:21 ` Yang Hongyang
2015-08-11 12:38 ` Jan Beulich
2015-08-11 13:10 ` Stefano Stabellini
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