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From: Ian Campbell <ian.campbell@citrix.com>
To: Julien Grall <julien.grall@citrix.com>,
	Stefano Stabellini <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com>,
	Andrew Turner <andrew@fubar.geek.nz>
Cc: Hangaohuai <hangaohuai@huawei.com>,
	"Huangpeng (Peter)" <peter.huangpeng@huawei.com>,
	xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xen.org>,
	Stefano Stabellini <stefano.stabellini@citrix.com>,
	Shannon Zhao <shannon.zhao@linaro.org>,
	Jan Beulich <jbeulich@suse.com>,
	Shannon Zhao <zhaoshenglong@huawei.com>,
	Parth Dixit <parth.dixit@linaro.org>,
	Christoffer Dall <christoffer.dall@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: Design doc of adding ACPI support for arm64 on Xen - version 2
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 12:27:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1441193239.26292.141.camel@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <55CB37F5.7060008@citrix.com>

On Wed, 2015-08-12 at 13:11 +0100, Julien Grall wrote:
> On 12/08/15 12:23, Ian Campbell wrote:
> > Strictly it is considered a separate thing, much like loader.efi, despite
> > where it lives e.g. it is self contained and not allowed to call into the
> > kernel proper except via the formal interface provided for the hand-off.
> > 
> > That might seem like semantic quibbling, but I just want to clarify that
> > the Linux and BSD approaches here are basically the same.
> > 
> > Given that these device tree bindings are really just Linux's equivalent of
> > the "a format the kernel understands" which BSD uses as described above. I
> > don't know what format BSD uses, Linux just happened to have a DTB library
> > handy...
> 
> IIRC, on FreeBSD, the loader and the kernel is talking through a custom
> format called metadata. There is no modification of device tree by the
> loader.

Right, and as I say above Linux's equivalent of "a custom format called
metadata" is to declare a device tree binding.

> Although, I would prefer to see a common interface between Xen and DOM0
> rather than implementing a custom one for each OS we will support.

Agreed.

> I have to think how everything will work together. AFAIK, on x86, the
> loader is loading Xen and the FreeBSD kernel in the memory. The metadata
> necessary for the kernel is passed as a multiboot entry.
> 
> I will speak with Royger to see what we can do here.
> 
> In the meantime, I think we should drop "linux," when we standardize
> them to show that they are generic and not linux specific.

"we" here would be broader than just Xen of course.

Ian.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-02 11:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-08-07  2:11 Design doc of adding ACPI support for arm64 on Xen - version 2 Shannon Zhao
2015-08-07  9:45 ` Stefano Stabellini
2015-08-07 10:33 ` Julien Grall
2015-08-07 10:37   ` Christoffer Dall
2015-08-07 10:42     ` Stefano Stabellini
2015-08-07 10:44     ` Julien Grall
2015-08-11  2:09   ` Shannon Zhao
2015-08-11  9:46     ` Julien Grall
2015-08-11 10:27       ` Shannon Zhao
2015-08-11 14:12 ` Ian Campbell
2015-08-11 14:51   ` David Vrabel
2015-08-11 14:59     ` Ian Campbell
2015-08-11 15:02       ` David Vrabel
2015-08-11 15:11       ` Julien Grall
2015-08-11 15:19         ` Ian Campbell
2015-08-11 15:25           ` David Vrabel
2015-08-11 16:01           ` Julien Grall
2015-08-12  2:42             ` Shannon Zhao
2015-08-12  8:46               ` Ian Campbell
2015-08-12  8:46             ` Ian Campbell
2015-08-12  9:02               ` Julien Grall
2015-08-12 15:48   ` Jan Beulich
2015-08-11 14:19 ` Ian Campbell
2015-08-11 14:21   ` Ian Campbell
2015-08-11 15:29     ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-08-11 15:35       ` Ian Campbell
2015-08-11 15:52         ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-08-12  2:47           ` Shannon Zhao
2015-08-12  8:47             ` Ian Campbell
2015-08-12  9:00               ` Shannon Zhao
2015-08-17 10:36   ` Roger Pau Monné
2015-08-18  1:44     ` Shannon Zhao
2015-08-11 16:19 ` Julien Grall
2015-08-12  3:04   ` Shannon Zhao
2015-08-12  8:52     ` Ian Campbell
2015-08-12  9:21       ` Julien Grall
2015-08-12 10:36         ` Andrew Turner
2015-08-12 10:48           ` Stefano Stabellini
2015-08-12 11:23             ` Ian Campbell
2015-08-12 12:11               ` Julien Grall
2015-09-02 11:27                 ` Ian Campbell [this message]
2015-08-12 12:20           ` Julien Grall
2015-09-02 11:30             ` Ian Campbell
2015-09-02 11:39               ` Julien Grall
2015-09-02 12:05                 ` Ian Campbell
2015-08-12 10:17       ` Stefano Stabellini
2015-08-12  7:22 ` Shannon Zhao
2015-08-12  9:11   ` Julien Grall
2015-08-14 14:05     ` Shannon Zhao
2015-08-14 14:17       ` xen/arm: Crash when allocating memory for ACPI table (Was Re: Design doc of adding ACPI support for arm64 on Xen - version 2) Julien Grall
2015-08-14 14:35         ` Shannon Zhao
2015-08-14 14:41           ` Julien Grall
2015-08-14 14:49             ` Shannon Zhao
2015-08-14 14:53               ` Julien Grall
2015-08-14 14:55                 ` Shannon Zhao
2015-08-12 15:45 ` Design doc of adding ACPI support for arm64 on Xen - version 2 Jan Beulich
2015-08-12 15:51   ` Christoffer Dall
2015-08-12 15:58     ` Jan Beulich
2015-08-12 16:18       ` Julien Grall
2015-08-13  6:41         ` Jan Beulich
2015-08-13  8:01           ` Christoffer Dall
2015-08-13  8:11             ` Jan Beulich
2015-08-13  8:18             ` Jan Beulich
2015-08-13  9:05           ` Ian Campbell
2015-08-13  9:20             ` Jan Beulich
2015-08-13 10:40               ` Julien Grall
2015-08-13  9:43           ` Stefano Stabellini
2015-08-13 10:03             ` Jan Beulich
2015-08-13 10:13               ` Stefano Stabellini
2015-08-13 10:22                 ` Ian Campbell
2015-08-13 10:29                   ` Christoffer Dall
2015-08-13 10:32                     ` Stefano Stabellini
2015-08-13 10:34                     ` Ian Campbell
2015-08-13 10:48                     ` Shannon Zhao
2015-08-13 10:54                       ` Jan Beulich
2015-08-13 11:00                         ` Julien Grall
2015-08-13 11:07                           ` Stefano Stabellini
2015-08-13 11:55                           ` Jan Beulich
2015-08-13 12:08                             ` Julien Grall
2015-08-13 14:49                               ` Ian Campbell
2015-08-14  5:34                     ` Shannon Zhao
2015-08-14  9:54                       ` Stefano Stabellini

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