From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: by yocto-www.yoctoproject.org (Postfix, from userid 118) id 9C2ECE00C67; Sun, 14 Feb 2016 02:25:08 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on yocto-www.yoctoproject.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-HAM-Report: * -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% * [score: 0.0000] Received: from dan.rpsys.net (5751f4a1.skybroadband.com [87.81.244.161]) by yocto-www.yoctoproject.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51668E00C52 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 2016 02:25:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dan.rpsys.net (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-4.1ubuntu1) with ESMTP id u1EAOtf5014869; Sun, 14 Feb 2016 10:24:55 GMT Received: from dan.rpsys.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dan.rpsys.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 7WRayzefVG0e; Sun, 14 Feb 2016 10:24:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hex ([192.168.3.34]) (authenticated bits=0) by dan.rpsys.net (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-4.1ubuntu1) with ESMTP id u1EAOrMq014866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT); Sun, 14 Feb 2016 10:24:54 GMT Message-ID: <1455445493.16142.384.camel@linuxfoundation.org> From: Richard Purdie To: Khem Raj Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 10:24:53 +0000 In-Reply-To: References: <3534892.4K3lPByQ7B@nickl> <2ABA8704-6F76-49C0-8DD4-8C74295CF4EB@gmail.com> <1455384501.16142.372.camel@linuxfoundation.org> X-Mailer: Evolution 3.16.5-1ubuntu3.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: Nick Leverton , "yocto@yoctoproject.org" Subject: Re: Dropping Debian 7 as supported? X-BeenThere: yocto@yoctoproject.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion of all things Yocto Project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 10:25:08 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sat, 2016-02-13 at 10:12 -0800, Khem Raj wrote: > On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 9:28 AM, Richard Purdie > wrote: > > On Sat, 2016-02-13 at 15:30 +0100, Jens Rehsack wrote: > > > > Am 11.02.2016 um 15:32 schrieb Burton, Ross < > > > > ross.burton@intel.com> > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11 February 2016 at 14:21, Nick Leverton > > > > wrote: > > > > Possibly a little early - Debian 7 will be going onto LTS > > > > security > > > > support for > > > > two years, starting some time this month. Quoting from > > > > https://wiki.debian.org/LTS > > > > > > > > Ah yes, I'd forgotten about the LTS project and was looking at > > > > the > > > > security team. > > > > > > > > This does make it less clear, but it's still an old release and > > > > we > > > > can't support/test on everything. > > > > > > Sure, but are there some serious/expensive maintaining efforts > > > continuing support Debian 7? > > > Or is it an approach to kick Debian from list of supported > > > distributions for (above?) reasons? > > > > > > Since I run some build instances on a Debian 7 machine which is > > > not > > > going to be upgraded that > > > soon (don't want Debian 8, but don't want to reinstall from > > > scratch > > > and migrate my Xen VM's ...), > > > dropping support for "it's just time to move on" is more a > > > Desktop > > > philosophy, not for embedded/datacenter > > > approaches ... > > > > For example, we'd like to use the sparse option when building > > rootfs: > > > > https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9099 > > > > This support isn't available in the version of dd in debian 7. Our > > options are: > > > > * Build a dd -native > > For core feature like sparse files its better to control our own > destiny and use dd-native regardless. There are certain core utilities which its very hard to add into the dependency chains correctly. With xz, I recently gave up trying to get the patches right. I'm sure it could be done, it didn't seem worth the effort though. dd and other coreutils fall into the same category, very hard to get right without races. There is probably a redesign of the some of the way staging happens needed to make it work and that is a low priority right now. > But that does not mean we should > not drop debian7 or arcane centos distros that we keep supporting for > ever. I still see patches for centos 5.8 in metadata. We did retire centos 6 recently (qemu wouldn't run there correctly for any of the automated tests). Cheers, Richard