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From: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>
To: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Jiri Kosina <jikos@kernel.org>,
	"Luck, Tony" <tony.luck@intel.com>
Cc: "ksummit-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org"
	<ksummit-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] stable workflow
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2016 11:32:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1470043948.3389.13.camel@sipsolutions.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <57814D4E.9000001@suse.cz> (sfid-20160709_211529_750568_A0AEF748)

(sorry for the long delay - was off for a scheduled surgery & vacation)

On Sat, 2016-07-09 at 21:15 +0200, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> On 07/09/2016 11:29 AM, Johannes Berg wrote:
> > On Sat, 2016-07-09 at 10:34 +0200, Jiri Kosina wrote:
> > 
> > Perhaps a hybrid model, close to what we have today, would work? If
> > a
> > patch is proposed for stable, instead of including it by default,
> > ask
> > the maintainer(s) to separately acknowledge the patch for stable?
> > IOW,
> > rather than sending a patchbomb that requires an explicit NACK
> > (with
> > the previously discussed signal/noise problem), just send a list of
> > commits and ask maintainers to edit it? They could remove and add
> > commits then.
> 
> Does it have to be strictly maintainers? 

Perhaps not.

> What if we just require that
> *somebody* (maintainer or otherwise) tags the patch with something
> like a "Stable-Acked-By", which should mean taking more
> responsibility for it than just forwarding a patch to stable without
> consequences. It should imply that the acker has checked the patch in
> the context of the particular kernel version, and be clearly
> separated from acks/reviews of the mainline commit. It would be of
> course better if stable tree maintainer would check if the acking
> person is a regular contributor of the subsystem (I guess get-
> maintainers.pl with its git checking can help here).
> This could be required initially at least for patches where the Cc:
> stable wasn't already present at time of maintainer's signed-off-by.

It comes down to a question of trust though - who are the people you
trust with a (hypothetical) "stable-acked-by"? There are no doubt a
number of people who will see that this is the process, and send such a
tag to expedite a patch going into the tree, just because of "process"
and little else.

IOW, I fear that such a thing, if anyone was able to give a go ahead,
wouldn't help anything at all.


johannes

  reply	other threads:[~2016-08-01  9:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 259+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-08 22:35 [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] stable workflow Jiri Kosina
2016-07-08 23:12 ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-08 23:38   ` Luck, Tony
2016-07-09  8:34     ` Jiri Kosina
2016-07-09  8:58       ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-09  9:29       ` Johannes Berg
2016-07-09 15:19         ` Jason Cooper
2016-07-09 16:04           ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-09 19:15         ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-08-01  9:32           ` Johannes Berg [this message]
2016-08-01 11:10             ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-07-09 18:39       ` Andrew Lunn
2016-07-10  1:22       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-07-08 23:52   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-07-09  0:06     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-07-09  8:37       ` Jiri Kosina
2016-07-09  9:12         ` Mark Brown
2016-07-09  0:10   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-07-09  0:37     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-07-09  0:43       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-07-09  1:53         ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-09 10:05         ` James Bottomley
2016-07-09 15:49           ` Trond Myklebust
2016-07-09 22:41             ` Dan Williams
2016-07-10  1:34             ` James Bottomley
2016-07-10  1:43               ` Trond Myklebust
2016-07-10  1:56                 ` James Bottomley
2016-07-10  2:12                   ` Trond Myklebust
2016-07-10  2:15                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-07-10  3:00                     ` James Bottomley
2016-07-10  3:07                       ` Trond Myklebust
2016-07-26 13:35                       ` David Woodhouse
2016-07-26 13:44                         ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-26 14:33                           ` David Woodhouse
2016-07-26 15:52                             ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-28 21:02                             ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-07-29  0:10                               ` Steven Rostedt
2016-07-29  8:59                                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-07-29 14:28                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-01 13:53                                     ` Shuah Khan
2016-08-03  4:47                                       ` Bird, Timothy
2016-07-29 15:12                                   ` Mark Brown
2016-07-29 15:20                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2016-07-29 15:50                                       ` Mark Brown
2016-07-29 16:06                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2016-07-29 16:48                                           ` Mark Brown
2016-07-29 17:02                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2016-07-29 21:07                                               ` Alexandre Belloni
2016-07-29 21:40                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-01 13:41                                                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-07-30 16:19                                               ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-01 13:35                                     ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-08-01 14:24                                       ` Mark Brown
2016-08-02 14:12                       ` Jani Nikula
2016-08-02 15:34                         ` Mark Brown
2016-08-02 23:17                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-03  9:36                             ` Jani Nikula
2016-08-03 11:09                               ` Greg KH
2016-08-03 13:05                                 ` Jani Nikula
2016-08-03 13:26                                   ` Greg KH
2016-08-03 13:48                                     ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-03 13:57                                       ` James Bottomley
2016-08-03 13:59                                         ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-03 14:04                                           ` James Bottomley
2016-08-03 14:10                                             ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-04  1:23                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-04  8:20                                               ` Greg KH
2016-08-04 13:33                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-04 15:32                                                   ` Takashi Iwai
2016-08-04 15:40                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-04 15:47                                                     ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-04 16:18                                                       ` Takashi Iwai
2016-08-04 16:26                                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-04 15:44                                                   ` Mark Brown
2016-08-04 15:56                                                     ` James Bottomley
2016-08-04 17:01                                                       ` Mark Brown
2016-08-04 17:11                                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-04 17:53                                                           ` Mark Brown
2016-08-05  8:16                                                           ` Jani Nikula
2016-08-04 16:14                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-04 17:51                                                       ` Mark Brown
2016-08-04 18:16                                                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-08-04 18:44                                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-04 18:48                                                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-08-04 19:06                                                             ` Mark Brown
2016-08-04 18:52                                                           ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-08-04 19:30                                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-03 14:45                                         ` Mark Brown
2016-08-04 13:48                                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-08-03 14:19                                       ` Greg KH
2016-08-03 14:45                                         ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-03 15:48                                           ` Guenter Roeck
2016-08-03 16:12                                             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-08-03 16:44                                               ` Guenter Roeck
2016-08-03 17:20                                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-08-03 18:21                                                   ` Guenter Roeck
2016-08-03 18:59                                                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-08-03 21:25                                                       ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-03 21:31                                                         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-08-03 21:36                                                           ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-04  3:06                                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-03 22:25                                                           ` Guenter Roeck
2016-08-04 14:02                                                         ` Jan Kara
2016-08-03 18:57                                                 ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-03 22:16                                                   ` Guenter Roeck
2016-08-04  3:14                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-04  3:32                                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-08-04  4:05                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2016-08-04  8:27                                               ` Greg KH
2016-08-04  8:21                                             ` Greg KH
2016-08-05  4:46                                             ` Jonathan Cameron
2016-08-03 14:12                                     ` Jani Nikula
2016-08-03 14:33                                       ` Daniel Vetter
2016-08-03 13:20                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-03 13:21                                   ` Jiri Kosina
2016-08-04  1:05                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-03 13:39                                   ` Greg KH
2016-08-03 14:10                                     ` Chris Mason
2016-08-04  0:37                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-08-03 15:47                                 ` Guenter Roeck
2016-08-04  8:25                                   ` Greg KH
2016-08-03 11:12                               ` Mark Brown
2016-07-10  2:27                   ` Dan Williams
2016-07-10  6:10                     ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-11  4:03                     ` [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] kernel unit testing Trond Myklebust
2016-07-11  4:22                       ` James Bottomley
2016-07-11  4:30                         ` Trond Myklebust
2016-07-11  5:23                       ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-11  8:56                         ` Hannes Reinecke
2016-07-11 16:20                         ` Mark Brown
2016-07-11 19:58                       ` Dan Williams
2016-07-12  9:35                         ` Jan Kara
2016-07-13  4:56                           ` Dan Williams
2016-07-13  9:04                             ` Jan Kara
2016-07-11 20:24                       ` Kevin Hilman
2016-07-11 23:03                         ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-18  7:44                           ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-07-18  8:44                             ` Hannes Reinecke
2016-07-28 21:09                         ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-07-28 21:33                           ` Bird, Timothy
2016-08-02 18:42                           ` Kevin Hilman
2016-08-02 19:44                             ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-08-02 20:33                               ` Mark Brown
2016-07-13  4:48                       ` Alex Shi
2016-07-13  9:07                         ` Greg KH
2016-07-13 12:37                           ` Alex Shi
2016-07-13 19:59                             ` Olof Johansson
2016-07-13 22:23                               ` Alex Shi
2016-07-14  1:19                             ` Greg KH
2016-07-14  9:48                               ` Alex Shi
2016-07-14  9:54                                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-07-14 14:13                                   ` Alex Shi
2016-07-13 14:34                           ` Mark Brown
2016-07-14  3:17                             ` Greg KH
2016-07-14 10:06                               ` Mark Brown
2016-07-15  0:22                                 ` Greg KH
2016-07-15  0:51                                   ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-15  1:41                                     ` Greg KH
2016-07-15  2:56                                       ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-15  4:29                                         ` Greg KH
2016-07-15  5:52                                           ` NeilBrown
2016-07-15  6:14                                             ` Greg KH
2016-07-15  7:02                                               ` Jiri Kosina
2016-07-15 11:42                                                 ` Greg KH
2016-07-15 11:47                                                   ` Jiri Kosina
2016-07-15 12:17                                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-07-15  6:19                                             ` Rik van Riel
2016-07-15 12:17                                               ` Mark Brown
2016-07-26 13:45                                                 ` David Woodhouse
2016-07-15  6:32                                             ` James Bottomley
2016-07-15  7:01                                               ` NeilBrown
2016-07-15  7:28                                                 ` James Bottomley
2016-07-15  7:36                                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-07-15  9:29                                                   ` NeilBrown
2016-07-15 16:08                                                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-07-15 11:05                                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-07-15 12:35                                                 ` James Bottomley
2016-07-15 12:44                                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-07-15 11:24                                             ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-07-28 22:07                                               ` Laurent Pinchart
2016-07-21  7:13                                           ` Daniel Vetter
2016-07-21  7:44                                             ` Josh Triplett
2016-07-15 11:10                                     ` Mark Brown
2016-07-15 11:40                                       ` Greg KH
2016-07-15 12:38                                         ` Mark Brown
2016-07-10  2:07                 ` [Ksummit-discuss] [CORE TOPIC] stable workflow Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-07-10  6:19               ` Olof Johansson
2016-07-10 14:42                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-07-11  1:18                   ` Olof Johansson
2016-07-10  7:29           ` Takashi Iwai
2016-07-10 10:20             ` Jiri Kosina
2016-07-10 13:33               ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-15  9:27                 ` Zefan Li
2016-07-15 13:52                   ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-26 13:08           ` David Woodhouse
2016-07-10  7:37     ` Takashi Iwai
2016-07-09  0:06 ` Jason Cooper
2016-07-09  0:42   ` James Bottomley
2016-07-09  8:43     ` Jiri Kosina
2016-07-09  9:36       ` Mark Brown
2016-07-09 15:13         ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-09 19:40           ` Sudip Mukherjee
2016-07-11  8:14             ` Jiri Kosina
2016-07-09 21:21           ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-07-11 15:13             ` Mark Brown
2016-07-11 17:03               ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-07-11 17:07                 ` Justin Forbes
2016-07-11 17:11                 ` Mark Brown
2016-07-11 17:13                   ` Olof Johansson
2016-07-11 17:17                     ` Mark Brown
2016-07-11 17:24                       ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-11 17:44                         ` Mark Brown
2016-07-13  1:08                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-07-11 17:15                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-07-11 17:20                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-07-11 17:26                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-07-11 17:27                     ` Olof Johansson
2016-07-11 23:13                   ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-11 17:17                 ` Josh Boyer
2016-07-11 22:42                 ` James Bottomley
2016-07-20 17:50                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2016-07-11  8:18           ` Jiri Kosina
2016-07-11 23:32             ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-11 14:22           ` Mark Brown
2016-07-10 16:22         ` Vinod Koul
2016-07-10 17:01           ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-07-10 18:28             ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-10 22:38               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2016-07-11  8:47                 ` Jiri Kosina
2016-07-27  3:19                 ` Steven Rostedt
2016-07-10 22:39               ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-07-11  1:12                 ` Olof Johansson
2016-07-11  5:00             ` Vinod Koul
2016-07-11  5:13               ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-07-11 10:57                 ` Luis de Bethencourt
2016-07-11 14:18                 ` Vinod Koul
2016-07-11 17:34                   ` Guenter Roeck
2016-07-27  3:12                   ` Steven Rostedt
2016-07-27  4:36                     ` Vinod Koul
2016-07-09 14:57     ` Jason Cooper
2016-07-09 22:51       ` Jonathan Corbet
2016-07-10  7:21 ` Takashi Iwai
2016-07-11  7:44 ` Christian Borntraeger
2016-08-02 13:49 ` Jani Nikula
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-05-02 19:42 Jiri Kosina
2014-05-02 19:43 ` Josh Boyer
2014-05-02 20:09 ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-02 20:12   ` Jiri Kosina
2014-05-02 20:22     ` Josh Boyer
2014-05-02 20:27     ` Steven Rostedt
2014-05-02 20:30       ` Jiri Kosina
2014-05-03 15:20       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-05-03 15:40       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2014-05-02 22:16     ` Jan Kara
2014-05-02 20:33 ` Ben Hutchings
2014-05-02 20:51 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-05-02 20:57 ` Mark Brown
2014-05-02 23:35   ` Guenter Roeck
2014-05-03 15:22 ` Greg KH

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