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From: Daniel Micay <danielmicay@gmail.com>
To: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Qualys Security Advisory <qsa@qualys.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Dmitry Safonov <dsafonov@virtuozzo.com>,
	Masahiro Yamada <yamada.masahiro@socionext.com>,
	Grzegorz Andrejczuk <grzegorz.andrejczuk@intel.com>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com"
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Subject: Re: [kernel-hardening] [PATCH] [RFC] binfmt_elf: Use ELF_ET_DYN_BASE only for PIE
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 13:27:20 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1498066040.27465.7.camel@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGXu5j+LJ7241o9xoXrorc-Wt9Z7YWOvkPjkxSMuGn6TtCFkgQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 2017-06-21 at 10:23 -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 5:07 AM, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2017-06-20 at 22:58 -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
> > > +/* This is the base location for PIE (ET_DYN with INTERP) loads.
> > > */
> > > +#define ELF_ET_DYN_BASE              0x400000UL
> > 
> > This value is good for 32 bit binaries, but for 64
> > bit binaries you probably want to put ELF_ET_DYN_BASE
> > at 4GB or higher.
> > 
> > The latter is necessary because Android uses the
> > lower 4GB of address space for its JVM runtime,
> > with 32 bit pointers inside that part of the otherwise
> > 64 bit address space.
> > 
> > In other words:
> > 
> > #define ELF_ET_DYN_BASE (mmap_is_ia32() ? 0x400000UL :
> > 0x100000000UL)
> 
> Ah, interesting. Okay, that should be fine. I'll adjust it.
> 
> > > +++ b/fs/binfmt_elf.c
> > > 
> > > +                      * Therefore, programs are loaded offset
> > > from
> > > +                      * ELF_ET_DYN_BASE and loaders are loaded
> > > into the
> > > +                      * independently randomized mmap region (0
> > > load_bias
> > > +                      * without MAP_FIXED).
> > > +                      */
> > > +                     if (elf_interpreter) {
> > > +                             load_bias = ELF_ET_DYN_BASE;
> > > +                             if (current->flags & PF_RANDOMIZE)
> > > +                                     load_bias +=
> > > arch_mmap_rnd();
> > > +                             elf_flags |= MAP_FIXED;
> > > +                     } else
> > > +                             load_bias = 0;
> > > +
> > > +                     load_bias -= vaddr;
> > 
> > I like this, and the big comment telling people how it
> > works :)
> 
> Thanks! It looks like your patch for commenting load_bias never got
> picked up, so I've added some more comments for that and some other
> things too. (Mostly for all the stuff I have to read a few times when
> I look at this code.)
> 
> -Kees
> 

The stack rlimit calculation fix for space potentially lost to ASLR is
probably still needed too, right?

  reply	other threads:[~2017-06-21 17:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-06-21  5:58 [kernel-hardening] [PATCH] [RFC] binfmt_elf: Use ELF_ET_DYN_BASE only for PIE Kees Cook
2017-06-21  5:58 ` Kees Cook
2017-06-21 12:07 ` [kernel-hardening] " Rik van Riel
2017-06-21 17:23   ` Kees Cook
2017-06-21 17:27     ` Daniel Micay [this message]
2017-06-21 17:28       ` Kees Cook
2017-06-21 17:32         ` Daniel Micay
2017-06-21 17:33           ` Kees Cook
2017-06-21 18:47           ` Rik van Riel

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