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From: Xen <list@xenhideout.nl>
To: grub-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: A black window pop out after I select a boot entry in grub2
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 20:29:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <14fd7c6a82244c5f851896072c47db66@dds.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0b4dde86a81cda9262c62c6e178ea520@dds.nl>

Xen schreef op 10-08-2016 19:57:

> There is no interface where partitions are subdirectories of disks?
> There is no /dev/disk/sda/1/

Once you had a consistent interface to reference such "names" it would 
become easier to make the jump to a user-friendly operating system in 
terms of any pre-boot environment, is all I am saying.

disk:<tab> to see all the disk drives would be very easy to teach 
people.

disk:a:1 as a reference to the first partition on the first disk?

It wouldn't be a directory, it would be a device node.

At the same time it could allow the initrd root filesystem and the 
target root filesystem to be referenced by different names.

Just an idea, I don't say it would be elegant right from the start.

But it would be a user-centric way of approaching things. These days 
people use "root symlinks" (e.g. ln -s /sys/kernel/debug /debug) for 
these things. That's not a proper use of the root directory. It should 
be tidy, not littered with symlinks and other stuff you can't find a 
place for. I think the current wax in the expansion of the root 
filesystem (root directory) entries is alarming.

/sys was recently added, /srv, /snap, /run, and your particular brand 
may have more. On a 64-bit system you have at least three /lib versions. 
It is getting out of hand.

It is not something you can really navigate in a GUI.

MacOS solves it by not going there anyway. You can do the same. For a 
proper GUI proper display of those "labels" would be most convenient I 
think.

In the pre-boot rescue environment you could consider mounting disks and 
partitions under consistent and predictable locations as well as being 
accessed by e.g. "target:/" or ":target/".

The current location could then be "rescue:/" as the actual path that 
you are at.

"mount disk:a:1 target:" could then be even nomenclature for mounting 
that partition under that name. The real mount point would then be 
/mounts/target or /mnt/target. disk:a:1 would just point to 
/dev/disk/a/1 or something of the kind.

What you get is a prefix in path names that will hopefully alleviate 
some confusion even as it could add more if not properly done.

Honestly I still think those drive letters were best although there is 
no way to enumerate them.

But adding labels and namespaced labels is a possibility. Coupled with a 
structured way of mounting things you could at least use them as 
shortcuts for getting there.

Regards.







  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-08-10 18:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-08-08 21:29 A black window pop out after I select a boot entry in grub2 Huangwei Fang
2016-08-10 14:17 ` Andrei Borzenkov
2016-08-10 14:25   ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
     [not found]     ` <CAA0a8nUfkQNiP8fEhmivB3M5kNL3z9EqKn6mqiUTVb=5pw1=9g@mail.gmail.com>
2016-08-23  0:48       ` Fwd: " Huangwei Fang
2016-08-10 17:57   ` Xen
2016-08-10 18:02     ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2016-08-10 18:33       ` Xen
2016-08-10 18:29     ` Xen [this message]
     [not found]   ` <CAA0a8nUuWTYzkgrjNX-4Ai+VbVbBYb=at41B0Eq9LUxdMm7ZJg@mail.gmail.com>
2016-08-23  0:44     ` Fwd: " Huangwei Fang
2016-08-25  7:54       ` Andrei Borzenkov

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