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From: Jeff Layton <jlayton-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: NeilBrown <neilb-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org>,
	"Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)"
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH manpages] write.2, fsync.2, close.2: update description of error codes
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 08:20:59 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1506601259.31955.0.camel@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87fub75xxr.fsf-wvvUuzkyo1HefUI2i7LXDhCRmIWqnp/j@public.gmane.org>

On Thu, 2017-09-28 at 13:01 +1000, NeilBrown wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 14 2017, Jeff Layton wrote:
> 
> > >  .TP
> > >  .B EIO
> > > -An error occurred during synchronization.
> > > +An error occurred during synchronization.  This error may relate
> > > +to data written to some other file descriptor on the same file.
> > > +.\" commit 088737f44bbf6378745f5b57b035e57ee3dc4750
> > > +Since Linux 4.13 errors from write-back will be reported to
> > > +all file descriptors that might have written the data which
> > > triggered
> > > +the error, and which are still open.
> > 
> > This is a little awkward. How could we report to a fd that was no
> > longer
> > open? How about:
> > 
> > "Since Linux 4.13, errors from write-back will be reported to all
> > file
> > descriptors that were open at the time that the error was
> > recorded."
> 
> That might be simpler, but it is less correct.  As I go on to say,
> NFS
> *doesn't* report on all file descriptors that were open at that time.
> 
> I've changed it to
> 
> -------------------
> Since Linux 4.13, errors from write-back will be reported to
> all file descriptors that might have written the data which triggered
> the error.  Some filesystems (e.g. NFS) keep close track of which
> data
> came through which file descriptor, and give precise reporting.
> Other filesystems (e.g. most local filesystems) will report errors to
> all file descriptors that where open on the file when the error was
> recorded.
> ------------------
> 
> which includes some of your text, and removes the "that are still
> open"
> which probably doesn't help.
> 
> > >  .TP
> > >  .B EIO
> > >  A low-level I/O error occurred while modifying the inode.
> > > +This error may relate to data written by an earlier
> > > +.BR write (2),
> > > +which may have been issued to a different file descriptor on
> > > +the same file.  Since Linux 4.13 errors from write-back will
> > > +be reported to all file descriptors that might have
> > > +written the data which triggered the error, and which are still
> > > +open.
> > 
> > 
> > This is where things get a little more vague.
> > 
> > Some filesystems will return errors on a subsequent write(2) when
> > previous writeback has failed -- some don't. In either case though,
> > write(2) should never advance your errseq_t cursor, so only an
> > fsync
> > will "clear" an earlier error.
> > 
> > I'm not sure how best to convey that in the manpages though.
> 
> How about:
> 
> -------------
> This error may relate to the write-back of data written by an
> earlier
> .BR write (2),
> which may have been issued to a different file descriptor on
> the same file.  Since Linux 4.13, errors from write-back come
> with a promise that they
> .I may
> be reported by subsequent.
> .BR write (2)
> requests, and
> .I will
> be reported by a subsequent
> .BR fsync (2)
> (whether or not they were also reported by
> .BR write (2)).
> ------------
> ??
> 
> Those changes are included in the following.
> 
> Thanks,
> NeilBrown
> 
> From: NeilBrown <neilb-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org>
> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 09:44:43 +1000
> Subject: [PATCH] write.2, fsync.2, close.2: update description of
> error codes
> 
> Since 4.13, errors from writeback are more reliably reported
> to all file descriptors that might be relevant.
> 
> Add notes to this effect, and also add detail about ENOSPC and EDQUOT
> which can be delayed in a similar many to EIO - for NFS in
> particular.
> 
> Signed-off-by: NeilBrown <neilb-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org>
> ---
>  man2/close.2 |  9 +++++++++
>  man2/fsync.2 | 18 +++++++++++++++++-
>  man2/write.2 | 28 +++++++++++++++++++++++++---
>  3 files changed, 51 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/man2/close.2 b/man2/close.2
> index 55d89ed3dbc7..136bd0be3f67 100644
> --- a/man2/close.2
> +++ b/man2/close.2
> @@ -82,6 +82,15 @@ call was interrupted by a signal; see
>  .TP
>  .B EIO
>  An I/O error occurred.
> +.TP
> +.BR ENOSPC ", " EDQUOT
> +On NFS, these errors are not normally reported against the first
> write
> +which exceeds the available storage space, but instead against a
> +subsequent
> +.BR write (2),
> +.BR fsync (2),
> +or
> +.BR close (2).
>  .PP
>  See NOTES for a discussion of why
>  .BR close ()
> diff --git a/man2/fsync.2 b/man2/fsync.2
> index eed3c460bea9..c7878bf3496f 100644
> --- a/man2/fsync.2
> +++ b/man2/fsync.2
> @@ -121,7 +121,15 @@ is set appropriately.
>  is not a valid open file descriptor.
>  .TP
>  .B EIO
> -An error occurred during synchronization.
> +An error occurred during synchronization.  This error may relate
> +to data written to some other file descriptor on the same file.
> +.\" commit 088737f44bbf6378745f5b57b035e57ee3dc4750
> +Since Linux 4.13, errors from write-back will be reported to
> +all file descriptors that might have written the data which
> triggered
> +the error.  Some filesystems (e.g. NFS) keep close track of which
> data
> +came through which file descriptor, and give more precise reporting.
> +Other filesystems (e.g. most local filesystems) will report errors
> to
> +all file descriptors that where open on the file when the error was
> recorded.
>  .TP
>  .B ENOSPC
>  Disk space was exhausted while synchronizing.
> @@ -130,6 +138,14 @@ Disk space was exhausted while synchronizing.
>  .I fd
>  is bound to a special file (e.g., a pipe, FIFO, or socket)
>  which does not support synchronization.
> +.TP
> +.BR ENOSPC ", " EDQUOT
> +.I fd
> +is bound to a file on NFS or another filesystem which does not
> allocate
> +space at the time of a
> +.BR write (2)
> +system call, and some previous write failed due to insufficient
> +storage space.
>  .SH CONFORMING TO
>  POSIX.1-2001, POSIX.1-2008, 4.3BSD.
>  .SH AVAILABILITY
> diff --git a/man2/write.2 b/man2/write.2
> index 061aa70cf590..b1cc3a2cfb17 100644
> --- a/man2/write.2
> +++ b/man2/write.2
> @@ -47,7 +47,7 @@ write \- write to a file descriptor
>  .BR write ()
>  writes up to
>  .I count
> -bytes from the buffer pointed
> +bytes from the buffer starting at
>  .I buf
>  to the file referred to by the file descriptor
>  .IR fd .
> @@ -181,6 +181,22 @@ or the file offset is not suitably aligned.
>  .TP
>  .B EIO
>  A low-level I/O error occurred while modifying the inode.
> +This error may relate to the write-back of data written by an
> +earlier
> +.BR write (2),
> +which may have been issued to a different file descriptor on
> +the same file.  Since Linux 4.13, errors from write-back come
> +with a promise that they
> +.I may
> +be reported by subsequent.
> +.BR write (2)
> +requests, and
> +.I will
> +be reported by a subsequent
> +.BR fsync (2)
> +(whether or not they were also reported by
> +.BR write (2)).
> +.\" commit 088737f44bbf6378745f5b57b035e57ee3dc4750
>  .TP
>  .B ENOSPC
>  The device containing the file referred to by
> @@ -222,8 +238,14 @@ unsigned and signed integer data types specified
> by POSIX.1.
>  A successful return from
>  .BR write ()
>  does not make any guarantee that data has been committed to disk.
> -In fact, on some buggy implementations, it does not even guarantee
> -that space has successfully been reserved for the data.
> +On some filesystems, including NFS, it does not even guarantee
> +that space has successfully been reserved for the data.  In the
> case,
> +some errors might be delayed to a future
> +.BR write (2)
> +or to
> +.BR fsync (2)
> +or even
> +.BR close (2).
>  The only way to be sure is to call
>  .BR fsync (2)
>  after you are done writing all your data.

Looks good to me!

Reviewed-by: Jeff Layton <jlayton-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
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From: Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>
To: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.com>,
	"Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	Trond Myklebust <trondmy@primarydata.com>,
	"anna.schumaker@netapp.com" <anna.schumaker@netapp.com>,
	"jlayton@kernel.org" <jlayton@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-man@vger.kernel.org,
	"linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org" <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH manpages] write.2, fsync.2, close.2: update description of error codes
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 08:20:59 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1506601259.31955.0.camel@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87fub75xxr.fsf@notabene.neil.brown.name>

On Thu, 2017-09-28 at 13:01 +1000, NeilBrown wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 14 2017, Jeff Layton wrote:
> 
> > >  .TP
> > >  .B EIO
> > > -An error occurred during synchronization.
> > > +An error occurred during synchronization.  This error may relate
> > > +to data written to some other file descriptor on the same file.
> > > +.\" commit 088737f44bbf6378745f5b57b035e57ee3dc4750
> > > +Since Linux 4.13 errors from write-back will be reported to
> > > +all file descriptors that might have written the data which
> > > triggered
> > > +the error, and which are still open.
> > 
> > This is a little awkward. How could we report to a fd that was no
> > longer
> > open? How about:
> > 
> > "Since Linux 4.13, errors from write-back will be reported to all
> > file
> > descriptors that were open at the time that the error was
> > recorded."
> 
> That might be simpler, but it is less correct.  As I go on to say,
> NFS
> *doesn't* report on all file descriptors that were open at that time.
> 
> I've changed it to
> 
> -------------------
> Since Linux 4.13, errors from write-back will be reported to
> all file descriptors that might have written the data which triggered
> the error.  Some filesystems (e.g. NFS) keep close track of which
> data
> came through which file descriptor, and give precise reporting.
> Other filesystems (e.g. most local filesystems) will report errors to
> all file descriptors that where open on the file when the error was
> recorded.
> ------------------
> 
> which includes some of your text, and removes the "that are still
> open"
> which probably doesn't help.
> 
> > >  .TP
> > >  .B EIO
> > >  A low-level I/O error occurred while modifying the inode.
> > > +This error may relate to data written by an earlier
> > > +.BR write (2),
> > > +which may have been issued to a different file descriptor on
> > > +the same file.  Since Linux 4.13 errors from write-back will
> > > +be reported to all file descriptors that might have
> > > +written the data which triggered the error, and which are still
> > > +open.
> > 
> > 
> > This is where things get a little more vague.
> > 
> > Some filesystems will return errors on a subsequent write(2) when
> > previous writeback has failed -- some don't. In either case though,
> > write(2) should never advance your errseq_t cursor, so only an
> > fsync
> > will "clear" an earlier error.
> > 
> > I'm not sure how best to convey that in the manpages though.
> 
> How about:
> 
> -------------
> This error may relate to the write-back of data written by an
> earlier
> .BR write (2),
> which may have been issued to a different file descriptor on
> the same file.  Since Linux 4.13, errors from write-back come
> with a promise that they
> .I may
> be reported by subsequent.
> .BR write (2)
> requests, and
> .I will
> be reported by a subsequent
> .BR fsync (2)
> (whether or not they were also reported by
> .BR write (2)).
> ------------
> ??
> 
> Those changes are included in the following.
> 
> Thanks,
> NeilBrown
> 
> From: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.com>
> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 09:44:43 +1000
> Subject: [PATCH] write.2, fsync.2, close.2: update description of
> error codes
> 
> Since 4.13, errors from writeback are more reliably reported
> to all file descriptors that might be relevant.
> 
> Add notes to this effect, and also add detail about ENOSPC and EDQUOT
> which can be delayed in a similar many to EIO - for NFS in
> particular.
> 
> Signed-off-by: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.com>
> ---
>  man2/close.2 |  9 +++++++++
>  man2/fsync.2 | 18 +++++++++++++++++-
>  man2/write.2 | 28 +++++++++++++++++++++++++---
>  3 files changed, 51 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/man2/close.2 b/man2/close.2
> index 55d89ed3dbc7..136bd0be3f67 100644
> --- a/man2/close.2
> +++ b/man2/close.2
> @@ -82,6 +82,15 @@ call was interrupted by a signal; see
>  .TP
>  .B EIO
>  An I/O error occurred.
> +.TP
> +.BR ENOSPC ", " EDQUOT
> +On NFS, these errors are not normally reported against the first
> write
> +which exceeds the available storage space, but instead against a
> +subsequent
> +.BR write (2),
> +.BR fsync (2),
> +or
> +.BR close (2).
>  .PP
>  See NOTES for a discussion of why
>  .BR close ()
> diff --git a/man2/fsync.2 b/man2/fsync.2
> index eed3c460bea9..c7878bf3496f 100644
> --- a/man2/fsync.2
> +++ b/man2/fsync.2
> @@ -121,7 +121,15 @@ is set appropriately.
>  is not a valid open file descriptor.
>  .TP
>  .B EIO
> -An error occurred during synchronization.
> +An error occurred during synchronization.  This error may relate
> +to data written to some other file descriptor on the same file.
> +.\" commit 088737f44bbf6378745f5b57b035e57ee3dc4750
> +Since Linux 4.13, errors from write-back will be reported to
> +all file descriptors that might have written the data which
> triggered
> +the error.  Some filesystems (e.g. NFS) keep close track of which
> data
> +came through which file descriptor, and give more precise reporting.
> +Other filesystems (e.g. most local filesystems) will report errors
> to
> +all file descriptors that where open on the file when the error was
> recorded.
>  .TP
>  .B ENOSPC
>  Disk space was exhausted while synchronizing.
> @@ -130,6 +138,14 @@ Disk space was exhausted while synchronizing.
>  .I fd
>  is bound to a special file (e.g., a pipe, FIFO, or socket)
>  which does not support synchronization.
> +.TP
> +.BR ENOSPC ", " EDQUOT
> +.I fd
> +is bound to a file on NFS or another filesystem which does not
> allocate
> +space at the time of a
> +.BR write (2)
> +system call, and some previous write failed due to insufficient
> +storage space.
>  .SH CONFORMING TO
>  POSIX.1-2001, POSIX.1-2008, 4.3BSD.
>  .SH AVAILABILITY
> diff --git a/man2/write.2 b/man2/write.2
> index 061aa70cf590..b1cc3a2cfb17 100644
> --- a/man2/write.2
> +++ b/man2/write.2
> @@ -47,7 +47,7 @@ write \- write to a file descriptor
>  .BR write ()
>  writes up to
>  .I count
> -bytes from the buffer pointed
> +bytes from the buffer starting at
>  .I buf
>  to the file referred to by the file descriptor
>  .IR fd .
> @@ -181,6 +181,22 @@ or the file offset is not suitably aligned.
>  .TP
>  .B EIO
>  A low-level I/O error occurred while modifying the inode.
> +This error may relate to the write-back of data written by an
> +earlier
> +.BR write (2),
> +which may have been issued to a different file descriptor on
> +the same file.  Since Linux 4.13, errors from write-back come
> +with a promise that they
> +.I may
> +be reported by subsequent.
> +.BR write (2)
> +requests, and
> +.I will
> +be reported by a subsequent
> +.BR fsync (2)
> +(whether or not they were also reported by
> +.BR write (2)).
> +.\" commit 088737f44bbf6378745f5b57b035e57ee3dc4750
>  .TP
>  .B ENOSPC
>  The device containing the file referred to by
> @@ -222,8 +238,14 @@ unsigned and signed integer data types specified
> by POSIX.1.
>  A successful return from
>  .BR write ()
>  does not make any guarantee that data has been committed to disk.
> -In fact, on some buggy implementations, it does not even guarantee
> -that space has successfully been reserved for the data.
> +On some filesystems, including NFS, it does not even guarantee
> +that space has successfully been reserved for the data.  In the
> case,
> +some errors might be delayed to a future
> +.BR write (2)
> +or to
> +.BR fsync (2)
> +or even
> +.BR close (2).
>  The only way to be sure is to call
>  .BR fsync (2)
>  after you are done writing all your data.

Looks good to me!

Reviewed-by: Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-09-28 12:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-07-20 19:42 [PATCH] nfs: track writeback errors with errseq_t Jeff Layton
2017-08-25 17:59 ` Jeff Layton
2017-08-27 23:24   ` NeilBrown
2017-08-28 11:47     ` Jeff Layton
2017-08-29  1:23       ` NeilBrown
2017-08-29 10:54         ` Jeff Layton
2017-09-07  3:37           ` NeilBrown
2017-09-07 11:35             ` Jeff Layton
2017-09-07 14:54               ` Trond Myklebust
2017-09-07 14:54                 ` Trond Myklebust
2017-09-11  3:24                 ` NeilBrown
2017-09-11 10:46                   ` Jeff Layton
2017-09-11 21:52                     ` NeilBrown
2017-09-12 15:20                       ` Jeff Layton
2017-09-12 21:47                         ` NeilBrown
2017-09-13 12:23                           ` Jeff Layton
2017-09-13 23:50                             ` [RFC PATCH manpages] write.2, fsync.2, close.2: update description of error codes NeilBrown
2017-09-13 23:50                               ` NeilBrown
     [not found]                               ` <87ingm9n04.fsf-wvvUuzkyo1HefUI2i7LXDhCRmIWqnp/j@public.gmane.org>
2017-09-14  7:59                                 ` walter harms
     [not found]                                   ` <59BA36C5.9000506-fPG8STNUNVg@public.gmane.org>
2017-09-14 22:36                                     ` NeilBrown
2017-09-14 10:48                                 ` Jeff Layton
2017-09-14 10:48                                   ` Jeff Layton
2017-09-15  7:50                                   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]                                     ` <28da8888-e8f9-31d5-a3dd-d3c2a5e9037a-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2017-09-15  8:25                                       ` NeilBrown
2017-09-15  8:25                                         ` NeilBrown
     [not found]                                   ` <1505386139.4870.10.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-09-28  3:01                                     ` NeilBrown
2017-09-28  3:01                                       ` NeilBrown
     [not found]                                       ` <87fub75xxr.fsf-wvvUuzkyo1HefUI2i7LXDhCRmIWqnp/j@public.gmane.org>
2017-09-28 12:20                                         ` Jeff Layton [this message]
2017-09-28 12:20                                           ` Jeff Layton
2017-09-28 16:19                                       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-opages)
2017-09-12  2:24                   ` [PATCH] nfs: track writeback errors with errseq_t Trond Myklebust
2017-09-12  2:24                     ` Trond Myklebust
2017-09-12  5:29                     ` NeilBrown

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